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03-29-2014 05:08 PM
wyoung2153
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Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
Well put! I would rather learn from others myself. I learned two dogs are a pair and three dogs are a pack the hard way...not a recommended course of action!

Glad the OP has experienced weak mouthed Boxers? I'd be curious as to how Boxers weak mouths got them on this list:
25 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds

And a Boeeboel?? WOW and cool! I have never seen one in real life..actually until recently I though they were long gone and a historic dog for the Boxer gene pool!

Back on point, you can't really help folks that already know everything. Somethings it's alot less painful to read about then to experience first hand..."my" opinion anyway.


I didn't mean to sound rude to the OP but sometimes, even myself, we have to hear what others are saying and trust that they may actually know what they are talking about. Even if that means making a difficult decision or changing the way you do things a little bit.

and yes a Boerboel had a girl, Athena, though she was put down.. but I loved her little 7 month butt until the day she went back to the breeder.. as to not derail the thread, you are welcome to PM about the experience.
03-29-2014 02:24 PM
JakodaCD OA Every dog is different. Your original post was what I was advising from.

Not all bitches fight, but your situation, a new dog, an adult, with an already older adult female was what I was giving advise on.

I have had a couple of females as I do now. A 14 yr old aussie and a 5 yr old GSD, they get along great, and are never crated when alone. BUT, if it was a new dog I was bringing in, gender doesn't matter, I wouldn't leave them unattended until I was a 100% sure it would be ok..

Nothing is 100%, and I hope the situation works for you and your dogs
03-29-2014 02:19 PM
Sabis mom
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Originally Posted by BrettR View Post
You're right. I knew I made a mistake as soon as I hit the post button. The internet is a place for alot of misunderstanding.

I was looking for GSD specific training if such a thing is needed. Without knowing everything about the dogs & owners, the horror stories do little for me.
The walks are making a huge bond, as we walk 5 miles a day & making sure we give the same commands to both dogs has done much to change what we have seen. Things like sitting & waiting before they are told it's ok to go out the door. Now working on Quite for when they are barking at the window or fence.

Sorry to cause the uproar. I am moving on from this thread.
Ok you want GSD specific.
The bitches in this breed are NOTED for being more prone to dog aggression AND same sex aggression, then the dogs.
My old female raised dozens of fosters for me and was fine in a pack setting, UNLESS one of the others dared to 'punk her off'. Then it was on, and my sweet, nanny of a dog turned into the bitch from ****!
GSD specific, this is a slow maturing breed. At 2 your youngster is still testing and learning boundaries. Conversely, at 7 your older dog is beginning to age. She's backing down because she feels she can't hold her own anymore.
And everything else you've been warned about. A dog will quit when his opponent submits, usually. Bitchy bitches will kill. Ask your wife if she is willing to step into the middle of a fight? Worse, what if the inadvertently fight with your child in the middle? Crate and rotate, enforce your old girls spot as top dog and train, train, train. But do not leave them alone for a second. The results could be devastating, and permanent.
03-29-2014 02:18 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by wyoung2153 View Post
No expert by any means.. BUT its seems to me you are missing the advice given here or are blatantly ignoring it trying to justify what you are doing.. Understandable to a point since you live with them day in and day out. If you knew what you were doing though, you wouldn't have come on here for advice. All people are doing here is trying to warn you of the possible things that could happen. It isn't as if they are perfect angels together and they are offering precautionary advice. There is clearly some tension with the two or nothing would be happening at all. NO one is suggesting that they are never together ever. The biggest thing that I have read in all the responses is that they urge you to not leave them alone together when you are not there because you honestly don't know what would happen, why? because you really don't know the history of the dog, admitted by yourself in a previous post.

Bitch on bitch fighting for unknown reasons isn't an uncommon behavior, simple reason why my Boeeboel breeder will not sell her bitches to another household with one UNLESS they are experienced with owning 2 bitches already and take the right precautions. The saying I came across when researching just that was "Males fight over things, bitches fight because the wind blows the wrong way."

And the horror stories people are telling you aren't once in a blue moon these things happen, they happen more than you thing. There is a behavior stereotype for a reason.. You think things are great one minute, until you aren't paying attention and then, well, hind sight is 20/20.
Well put! I would rather learn from others myself. I learned two dogs are a pair and three dogs are a pack the hard way...not a recommended course of action!

Glad the OP has experienced weak mouthed Boxers? I'd be curious as to how Boxers weak mouths got them on this list:
25 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds

And a Boeeboel?? WOW and cool! I have never seen one in real life..actually until recently I though they were long gone and a historic dog for the Boxer gene pool!

Back on point, you can't really help folks that already know everything. Somethings it's alot less painful to read about then to experience first hand..."my" opinion anyway.


03-29-2014 02:13 PM
selzer Another thing you'll find. Most people talk about what they have heard about. With bitches, people talk about what they have experienced. It is not uncommon at all to have inter-pack bitch-bitch aggression.

With dogs it can be a problem. With bitches, it can work. It's a huge difference.

And when you come on saying they've had four fights already, yeah, the young one is just settling in, but she is also just becoming mature, and unless these two really do have totally different natural personalities that are unlikely to clash, then chances are they will clash.

Some people will suggest sitting back and letting dogs figure it out for themselves. Never with bitches. Dogs will fight, and one will generally give up and cry UNCLE! and then, so long as the humans do not interfere by forcing human traits into the relationship (like forcing the dominant dog to let the submissive dog share his toys), things will probably be ok. Bitches on the other hand, will not stop on their own, they will kill the other bitch given the opportunity and at whatever cost to herself.
03-29-2014 01:51 PM
selzer Another saying, Dogs fight for breeding rights; bitches fight for breathing rights.

Or, bitches = stitches.

Getting bitches spayed may have an effect, by removing the heat cycles, and may have no effect whatsoever. If there is blood between bitches, then spaying will not change the animosity that is between them.

If you have two dogs snarling, though they are the larger, stronger, then the advice might be, get them neutered, up the training, do NILIF. With bitches, the typical advice is to have one rehomed because most people really are not in it to crate rotate, and to keep them totally separated, or to even keep them separated totally when they are not there to supervise.

If bitches have bloody altercations, the health benefits for having pets turn into health problems, because of the constant stress and tension.

A strong leader, natural leader, who is very fair, trains a lot, exercises a lot, works the dogs and doesn't put up with any nonsense whatsoever from them, can keep multiple bitches. But even they will know which bitches can be put with which bitches, and will generally not leave them unsupervised together.
03-29-2014 11:57 AM
wyoung2153 No expert by any means.. BUT its seems to me you are missing the advice given here or are blatantly ignoring it trying to justify what you are doing.. Understandable to a point since you live with them day in and day out. If you knew what you were doing though, you wouldn't have come on here for advice. All people are doing here is trying to warn you of the possible things that could happen. It isn't as if they are perfect angels together and they are offering precautionary advice. There is clearly some tension with the two or nothing would be happening at all. NO one is suggesting that they are never together ever. The biggest thing that I have read in all the responses is that they urge you to not leave them alone together when you are not there because you honestly don't know what would happen, why? because you really don't know the history of the dog, admitted by yourself in a previous post.

Bitch on bitch fighting for unknown reasons isn't an uncommon behavior, simple reason why my Boeeboel breeder will not sell her bitches to another household with one UNLESS they are experienced with owning 2 bitches already and take the right precautions. The saying I came across when researching just that was "Males fight over things, bitches fight because the wind blows the wrong way."

And the horror stories people are telling you aren't once in a blue moon these things happen, they happen more than you thing. There is a behavior stereotype for a reason.. You think things are great one minute, until you aren't paying attention and then, well, hind sight is 20/20.
03-29-2014 11:23 AM
BrettR My older female go into a bit of a tiff with my friend's older boxer female 1 time. It was all noise. As the Boxer was doing most of it & my dog just looked at me.

The only other time I saw Boxer's upset was we went to a friend's house who had a male boxer. Another friend had their male bulldog over. The bulldog went after the boxer's favorite ball & it caused the ruckus. Again mostly noise all by the boxer & since the few teeth the boxer had were small, there was no chance he was going to do anything to the tank that was this bulldog, especially standing over him & trying to gum the back of his neck which barely existed.

Again, I'm not ignorant to dogs & dog behavior. & also, if I have to keep the dogs separate, then the young girl will have to be rehomed. It wasn't my plan to have to females as I wouldn't plan on having 2 males either. My plan when the time comes, if we still have the young one would be to find a male doberman to go with her, however the wife is one that has to save the world. When she heard the owner of the young dog was planning on bringing her to a shelter, she had to see if they got along. & yes, 99.9% of the time they do, so now we are going to work to see if we can get that .1% taken care of.

There has been nothing even close to a fight since I started this thread....so we'll see. Either life will be great or I'll be posting the young girl is looking for a new home.


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Well my baby girl Struddell was a happy balanced Boxer, but I saw her nut up on my BullMastiff/Mix over baby kittens! (My fault) She felt Gunther was getting to excited and wanted to put him in his place!

Only happened once but it's burned into my mind! So yeah you're lucky if you never saw a Boxer nut up.
03-29-2014 11:09 AM
BrettR You're right. I knew I made a mistake as soon as I hit the post button. The internet is a place for alot of misunderstanding.

I was looking for GSD specific training if such a thing is needed. Without knowing everything about the dogs & owners, the horror stories do little for me.
The walks are making a huge bond, as we walk 5 miles a day & making sure we give the same commands to both dogs has done much to change what we have seen. Things like sitting & waiting before they are told it's ok to go out the door. Now working on Quite for when they are barking at the window or fence.

Sorry to cause the uproar. I am moving on from this thread.

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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
Well, then, you know it all. Why ask on a dog forum?

Bitches do not have to be trained to bite to fight with other bitches. I hope you are right about your bitches. I have two bitches together right now, they are 1 year and 8 years. They both have the right personalities to not be likely to ever fight with each other. Could it happen, yes. They have been together for a year though, so, I think we are ok for now.

But no way would I leave a 2 year old bitch I did not know in with an older bitch.

Ok, I did do this when I was young and dumb. My brother's partner died and he had to move in with my parents and they said ok to him but now to his 3 year old bitch. A GSD. I had a two year old bitch. A GSD. They were so cute together. They LOVED each other. Jazzy was black and silver and my girl was Black and Tan, and they were just so sweet together.

Maybe I have a picture:


Yeah, they were inside together, outside together, it was like a match made in heaven. I had them for about 3 months together. Then I went on vacation and my brother took care of them. He told me he didn't like the way they were acting when he was there. But, when I came home, I went about business as usual, and...

That is right, WWIII, right there in my back yard. 65 pounds of muscle and fangs against 75 pounds of muscle and fangs, and me hanging on to both collars trying to separate two bitches intent on MURDERING each other. We all ended up in the ER. They both had to have stitches and drains and it took my leg over a year to heal.

Pretty Girls.

Bitches.
03-25-2014 09:16 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by BrettR View Post
I will disagree with this as I know a family who has 2 boxers, both females & have had them for years. They have a 4 year old son & expecting another & there is no worry about the dogs or what they will do. They are also home alone all day.

I never known a boxer who was aggressive as I have had 4 friends with them & even when I had my Doberman, they could bring their male boxer over & our doberman & GSD/Husky mix would play with the Boxer, no fights.
Well my baby girl Struddell was a happy balanced Boxer, but I saw her nut up on my BullMastiff/Mix over baby kittens! (My fault) She felt Gunther was getting to excited and wanted to put him in his place!

Only happened once but it's burned into my mind! So yeah you're lucky if you never saw a Boxer nut up.
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