|03-29-2014 06:08 PM|
and yes a Boerboel had a girl, Athena, though she was put down.. but I loved her little 7 month butt until the day she went back to the breeder.. as to not derail the thread, you are welcome to PM about the experience.
|03-29-2014 03:24 PM|
Every dog is different. Your original post was what I was advising from.
Not all bitches fight, but your situation, a new dog, an adult, with an already older adult female was what I was giving advise on.
I have had a couple of females as I do now. A 14 yr old aussie and a 5 yr old GSD, they get along great, and are never crated when alone. BUT, if it was a new dog I was bringing in, gender doesn't matter, I wouldn't leave them unattended until I was a 100% sure it would be ok..
Nothing is 100%, and I hope the situation works for you and your dogs
|03-29-2014 03:19 PM|
The bitches in this breed are NOTED for being more prone to dog aggression AND same sex aggression, then the dogs.
My old female raised dozens of fosters for me and was fine in a pack setting, UNLESS one of the others dared to 'punk her off'. Then it was on, and my sweet, nanny of a dog turned into the bitch from ****!
GSD specific, this is a slow maturing breed. At 2 your youngster is still testing and learning boundaries. Conversely, at 7 your older dog is beginning to age. She's backing down because she feels she can't hold her own anymore.
And everything else you've been warned about. A dog will quit when his opponent submits, usually. Bitchy bitches will kill. Ask your wife if she is willing to step into the middle of a fight? Worse, what if the inadvertently fight with your child in the middle? Crate and rotate, enforce your old girls spot as top dog and train, train, train. But do not leave them alone for a second. The results could be devastating, and permanent.
|03-29-2014 03:18 PM|
Glad the OP has experienced weak mouthed Boxers? I'd be curious as to how Boxers weak mouths got them on this list:
25 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds
And a Boeeboel?? WOW and cool! I have never seen one in real life..actually until recently I though they were long gone and a historic dog for the Boxer gene pool!
Back on point, you can't really help folks that already know everything. Somethings it's alot less painful to read about then to experience first hand..."my" opinion anyway.
|03-29-2014 03:13 PM|
Another thing you'll find. Most people talk about what they have heard about. With bitches, people talk about what they have experienced. It is not uncommon at all to have inter-pack bitch-bitch aggression.
With dogs it can be a problem. With bitches, it can work. It's a huge difference.
And when you come on saying they've had four fights already, yeah, the young one is just settling in, but she is also just becoming mature, and unless these two really do have totally different natural personalities that are unlikely to clash, then chances are they will clash.
Some people will suggest sitting back and letting dogs figure it out for themselves. Never with bitches. Dogs will fight, and one will generally give up and cry UNCLE! and then, so long as the humans do not interfere by forcing human traits into the relationship (like forcing the dominant dog to let the submissive dog share his toys), things will probably be ok. Bitches on the other hand, will not stop on their own, they will kill the other bitch given the opportunity and at whatever cost to herself.
|03-29-2014 02:51 PM|
Another saying, Dogs fight for breeding rights; bitches fight for breathing rights.
Or, bitches = stitches.
Getting bitches spayed may have an effect, by removing the heat cycles, and may have no effect whatsoever. If there is blood between bitches, then spaying will not change the animosity that is between them.
If you have two dogs snarling, though they are the larger, stronger, then the advice might be, get them neutered, up the training, do NILIF. With bitches, the typical advice is to have one rehomed because most people really are not in it to crate rotate, and to keep them totally separated, or to even keep them separated totally when they are not there to supervise.
If bitches have bloody altercations, the health benefits for having pets turn into health problems, because of the constant stress and tension.
A strong leader, natural leader, who is very fair, trains a lot, exercises a lot, works the dogs and doesn't put up with any nonsense whatsoever from them, can keep multiple bitches. But even they will know which bitches can be put with which bitches, and will generally not leave them unsupervised together.
|03-29-2014 12:57 PM|
No expert by any means.. BUT its seems to me you are missing the advice given here or are blatantly ignoring it trying to justify what you are doing.. Understandable to a point since you live with them day in and day out. If you knew what you were doing though, you wouldn't have come on here for advice. All people are doing here is trying to warn you of the possible things that could happen. It isn't as if they are perfect angels together and they are offering precautionary advice. There is clearly some tension with the two or nothing would be happening at all. NO one is suggesting that they are never together ever. The biggest thing that I have read in all the responses is that they urge you to not leave them alone together when you are not there because you honestly don't know what would happen, why? because you really don't know the history of the dog, admitted by yourself in a previous post.
Bitch on bitch fighting for unknown reasons isn't an uncommon behavior, simple reason why my Boeeboel breeder will not sell her bitches to another household with one UNLESS they are experienced with owning 2 bitches already and take the right precautions. The saying I came across when researching just that was "Males fight over things, bitches fight because the wind blows the wrong way."
And the horror stories people are telling you aren't once in a blue moon these things happen, they happen more than you thing. There is a behavior stereotype for a reason.. You think things are great one minute, until you aren't paying attention and then, well, hind sight is 20/20.
|03-29-2014 12:23 PM|
My older female go into a bit of a tiff with my friend's older boxer female 1 time. It was all noise. As the Boxer was doing most of it & my dog just looked at me.
The only other time I saw Boxer's upset was we went to a friend's house who had a male boxer. Another friend had their male bulldog over. The bulldog went after the boxer's favorite ball & it caused the ruckus. Again mostly noise all by the boxer & since the few teeth the boxer had were small, there was no chance he was going to do anything to the tank that was this bulldog, especially standing over him & trying to gum the back of his neck which barely existed.
Again, I'm not ignorant to dogs & dog behavior. & also, if I have to keep the dogs separate, then the young girl will have to be rehomed. It wasn't my plan to have to females as I wouldn't plan on having 2 males either. My plan when the time comes, if we still have the young one would be to find a male doberman to go with her, however the wife is one that has to save the world. When she heard the owner of the young dog was planning on bringing her to a shelter, she had to see if they got along. & yes, 99.9% of the time they do, so now we are going to work to see if we can get that .1% taken care of.
There has been nothing even close to a fight since I started this thread....so we'll see. Either life will be great or I'll be posting the young girl is looking for a new home.
|03-29-2014 12:09 PM|
You're right. I knew I made a mistake as soon as I hit the post button. The internet is a place for alot of misunderstanding.
I was looking for GSD specific training if such a thing is needed. Without knowing everything about the dogs & owners, the horror stories do little for me.
The walks are making a huge bond, as we walk 5 miles a day & making sure we give the same commands to both dogs has done much to change what we have seen. Things like sitting & waiting before they are told it's ok to go out the door. Now working on Quite for when they are barking at the window or fence.
Sorry to cause the uproar. I am moving on from this thread.
|03-25-2014 10:16 PM|
Only happened once but it's burned into my mind! So yeah you're lucky if you never saw a Boxer nut up.
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