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03-18-2014 09:32 PM
llombardo
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Originally Posted by Suburbandiva View Post
Thank you so much, llombardo. This is really helpful. It's great to hear that leash reactive dogs can turn out to be CGC and therapy dogs! We'll keep working with Revy and try the PetSmart parking lot this weekend! We'll pull out the big gun treats (liver treats and dehydrated chicken feet).
Just remember to go slow. Stand away from the door and work on focus a lot. Set goals each day, maybe start with two dogs and go home. Try not to set the dog up yo fail, example would be moving next to entrance when you know that the focus isn't there and there will be a reaction. If it's one dog at a time per day so be it. If you have to dance and make noises and look like a fool until other dog passes so be it
03-18-2014 09:26 PM
Suburbandiva Thank you so much, llombardo. This is really helpful. It's great to hear that leash reactive dogs can turn out to be CGC and therapy dogs! We'll keep working with Revy and try the PetSmart parking lot this weekend! We'll pull out the big gun treats (liver treats and dehydrated chicken feet).
03-18-2014 09:21 PM
KathrynApril
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I got my dog from the animal shelter in May, we estimated him to be about 10 months at the time. As soon as I signed the papers he reacted to a dog. I had no clue how bad it was, but I found out shortly. When we went for a 10 day checkup they had to remove us from the main waiting area and put us in a room by ourselves, then they escorted us back through the area with the dogs while several people cleared a path for us, it was bad. He even reacted to my other dogs if they were on leash. This made me think it was not aggression but real bad reactivity. He didn't only bark, he growled , lunged, hackles up and he looked and sounded vicious. He was not allowed in classes and I had him evaluated in June, July , and August by different trainers . The first trainer determined it was not aggression, as did the second and third trainer. They all had different training methods, so I combined everything. In the beginning a prong did nothing for him. From June to August I spent time at the park and pet stores daily with him. He was put behind barricades in a class in July and he was miserable and bored. I felt like nothing I did had worked. In August we met with another trainer and he ripped her arm open trying to get to another dog. She offered private training and I refused. By this time I found one person with a stable dog that was ok with mine meeting theirs. It was tough going the first 10 minutes, but after that he was fine and the next thing I knew the guy was jogging with both dogs behaving nicely down the street . I knew then he could do it. I contacted a GSD club and the day after the disaster with him ripping up the lady's arm we were at the club. The guy brought his senior GSD's about five feet away from Midnite and Midnite did nothing . He has never reacted again like he used to. Every now and then he will answer another dog that starts with him , but dogs walk right past him, even brushing against him and he is fine. They have used him for other reactive dogs to walk past. In mid September he got his CGC and became a certified therapy dog. He is a completely different dog now. It was a lot of work and he was taking in everything the whole time, he just needed it to click. I have never used a correction on him. It was all focus and redirection. I use a prong on him in class but I never correct him, he corrects himself. So in short it took 4.5 months
Inspiring story!!
03-18-2014 09:17 PM
SunCzarina
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Thank you all. I will try the treats hunt distraction. I will try to see the other dog first, but I think he can smell it before either of us see it. I don't really want to avoid the other dog, I want to get my dog to not care about it.
Your dog will have a subtle change in posture between when they see IT and the seconds it takes the dog to react to IT. Could be a prick of the ears, a stiffening of the hind legs, or lowering of the back (you'll see this with squirrels and cats too). Learn to see the warning and get in that very narrow window to say leave it - this is you getting in your dogs head while he's thinking about reacting.
03-18-2014 09:12 PM
llombardo I used treats like venison , beef heart and hamburger. Not stuff he normally got but stuff that got his attention.
03-18-2014 09:08 PM
llombardo
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Hi llombardo - your advice is great. Thanks very much.

I am curious how long it took your dog to not react and to be able to pass by another dog? We've been working with our dog (11 months old now) for maybe 2 months, and we have seen some improvements (especially with dogs barking inside houses or through fences), but it just seems so SLOW. We can maybe get within 40 ft of another dog, we do the loot at the dog, look at me, treat and you get your Bumi for 10 seconds and then run away. I am looking forward to the day when we can just have a normal walk and be able to make a straight line home!

I guess it would go a lot faster if we weren't just training during regular walks when we can't predict if/when we will see another dog. How often would you sit outside a pet store? I think I would be solo in this endeavour - doesn't sound like something my husband would be willing to do!
I got my dog from the animal shelter in May, we estimated him to be about 10 months at the time. As soon as I signed the papers he reacted to a dog. I had no clue how bad it was, but I found out shortly. When we went for a 10 day checkup they had to remove us from the main waiting area and put us in a room by ourselves, then they escorted us back through the area with the dogs while several people cleared a path for us, it was bad. He even reacted to my other dogs if they were on leash. This made me think it was not aggression but real bad reactivity. He didn't only bark, he growled , lunged, hackles up and he looked and sounded vicious. He was not allowed in classes and I had him evaluated in June, July , and August by different trainers . The first trainer determined it was not aggression, as did the second and third trainer. They all had different training methods, so I combined everything. In the beginning a prong did nothing for him. From June to August I spent time at the park and pet stores daily with him. He was put behind barricades in a class in July and he was miserable and bored. I felt like nothing I did had worked. In August we met with another trainer and he ripped her arm open trying to get to another dog. She offered private training and I refused. By this time I found one person with a stable dog that was ok with mine meeting theirs. It was tough going the first 10 minutes, but after that he was fine and the next thing I knew the guy was jogging with both dogs behaving nicely down the street . I knew then he could do it. I contacted a GSD club and the day after the disaster with him ripping up the lady's arm we were at the club. The guy brought his senior GSD's about five feet away from Midnite and Midnite did nothing . He has never reacted again like he used to. Every now and then he will answer another dog that starts with him , but dogs walk right past him, even brushing against him and he is fine. They have used him for other reactive dogs to walk past. In mid September he got his CGC and became a certified therapy dog. He is a completely different dog now. It was a lot of work and he was taking in everything the whole time, he just needed it to click. I have never used a correction on him. It was all focus and redirection. I use a prong on him in class but I never correct him, he corrects himself. So in short it took 4.5 months
03-18-2014 09:03 PM
KathrynApril I just got back from Petsmart working on this very issue. My boy went from eating treats out of my hand to starting to bark at a few dogs that were going into the store. We had no reaction on previous days with that distance/method. There was one last dog and instead I just kept jogging back and forth with him not allowing him to fixate and that seemed to work better. I am going to probably try doing it this way again tomorrow. It really is a frustrating problem to have to work on. :/
03-18-2014 07:42 PM
Suburbandiva Hi llombardo - your advice is great. Thanks very much.

I am curious how long it took your dog to not react and to be able to pass by another dog? We've been working with our dog (11 months old now) for maybe 2 months, and we have seen some improvements (especially with dogs barking inside houses or through fences), but it just seems so SLOW. We can maybe get within 40 ft of another dog, we do the loot at the dog, look at me, treat and you get your Bumi for 10 seconds and then run away. I am looking forward to the day when we can just have a normal walk and be able to make a straight line home!

I guess it would go a lot faster if we weren't just training during regular walks when we can't predict if/when we will see another dog. How often would you sit outside a pet store? I think I would be solo in this endeavour - doesn't sound like something my husband would be willing to do!
03-18-2014 07:06 PM
llombardo
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Originally Posted by fgshepherd View Post
Thank you all. I will try the treats hunt distraction. I will try to see the other dog first, but I think he can smell it before either of us see it. I don't really want to avoid the other dog, I want to get my dog to not care about it. Maybe associate oncoming dog with a treat. I never ever take him to dog park because I don't want him to get hurt, and who knows if the other dogs even have been vaccinated. If something goes wrong, blame the GSD.
The point of all these exercises is to condition or train the dog not to care about other dogs. It's important to set up the dog to succeed because moving to fast can set the dog up to fail and set you back to the beginning. You have go start at a point where other dogs do not cause a reaction, whether that is 20, 50, of 100 ft and move closer as the dog starts to not react. You also start with watch me and leave it commands at this time. I spent hours and days 20 ft away from the entrance at the pet store or at the park. I would set a goal of how many dogs we would work through and call it a day.
03-18-2014 03:09 PM
fgshepherd Thank you all. I will try the treats hunt distraction. I will try to see the other dog first, but I think he can smell it before either of us see it. I don't really want to avoid the other dog, I want to get my dog to not care about it. Maybe associate oncoming dog with a treat. I never ever take him to dog park because I don't want him to get hurt, and who knows if the other dogs even have been vaccinated. If something goes wrong, blame the GSD.
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