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03-09-2014 09:30 AM
holland I am not against prongs but...teach the dog to focus on you-you might have already done that-when another dog is approaching work on having the dog focus on you -reward with treats-for the focus
03-08-2014 11:04 PM
selzer Lime, I agree with rescued/rehomed dogs needing a period of adjustment before their personality shows through, but this was a 5 month old puppy when they got it. It should not need as large of an adjustment period, as say a 3 year old dog.

A five month old puppy is fresh out of the most effective socialization stage, losing its puppy license, and not quite into where it is sexually mature -- not quite at puberty so to speak.

8 months, which is where the dog is now, is a pure teenager.

CrashBangWallop, I agree with Chip to stop day-care. If the dog is barking and lunging at dogs and then play-bowing, the dog is probably seeing another dog and thinking "playtime!!!!" it is barking and lunging because the leash or long line is keeping it from getting to the other dog. Doggy day care is socializing your dog to like to play with other dogs.

If your dog NEVER plays with another dog for the rest of its life, it will be just fine. It should play with you. And, on a long hike off lead, instead of rushing headlong toward other dogs, what you need is for your dog to come to you, and heel properly at your side until the other dogs and people go by.

I don't like the dependence on the head collar -- whatever type you are using. If that is what is giving you the power to control your puppy, then there is a problem. A much better training crutch would be a prong collar properly fitted. And since you have pretty much allowed a behavior of lunging and barking to manifest itself, and get worse over the last three months, you may have to give your teenager a correction, maybe a few. Sometimes a well-timed, solid correction will be all you need, and much more effective that a host of ineffective tugs. A head collar isn't a good tool for this -- no correcting on a head collar. And there are more positive methods of getting past this. But prong collar, and a solid correction when he barks and lunges toward other dogs and at the same time keep walking do not stop and let him get in a groove.

When the dog first notices the dog and when he just starts to display the behavior, a quick correction, with an "Eh! It's just a dog!" and keep on going.

I would probably have this dog in group classes, and I would not allow any dog-dog socializing while there. You are there to improve your skills in the presence of other dogs and people.
03-08-2014 09:54 PM
Lime
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Originally Posted by Juliem24 View Post
Interesting thread, this is exactly what is going on with our rescued guy. We adopted him at 10 months, he was very very good. Now, after 3 months, we have reactive dog issues, along with "most of the time I'll listen but sometimes I can't hear you." I'm curious about the "3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months" thing. Could someone elaborate, please? If I knew that this was an adolescent phase, it would be easier to deal with for me. The guy weighs 10 lbs less than I do, so walks are not too much fun. He gets plenty of exercise despite the weather, and is very sweet and just lovely in home. I would love to just get over this hump!
The 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months concept is something Patricia McConnell talks a lot about. It basically says that those are the general phases of time it takes for a dog to go through a specific adjustment period after being placed into a new environment.

Here's a free webinar from the ASPCA that might help. Just fill out the form that pops up ( you can put anything in where it asks what organization you're with) and it immediately takes you to the video. I haven't listened to it yet, but I know it has the same title of the book that Patricia talkes about the 3, 3, 3 thing in. So, hopefully it's in the webinar as well.

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03-08-2014 11:08 AM
Chip18
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Sounds like a dog being a brat and the reactivity isn't from fear. If so my opinion is Put the prong on and when you see another dog give him a command he knows like sit. If he breaks that sit correct him HARD! And tell him to sit. Dog will learn to shut up and sit when told. Only took one hard correction for my pup to realize lunging at dogs wasn't a good idea.
A prong..? OK ,,the OP is already misuing a head collar so a prong is the solution?

Fine:


Anybody that can follow,understand and duplicate what this guy is doing, use a prong,if you can't... then don't!

I prefer to figure out what "I'm" doing wrong. Rather than going to a pet store and buying a new "tool" every other week to fix my dog!
03-08-2014 12:49 AM
boomer11 Sounds like a dog being a brat and the reactivity isn't from fear. If so my opinion is Put the prong on and when you see another dog give him a command he knows like sit. If he breaks that sit correct him HARD! And tell him to sit. Dog will learn to shut up and sit when told. Only took one hard correction for my pup to realize lunging at dogs wasn't a good idea.
03-08-2014 12:16 AM
Juliem24 Interesting thread, this is exactly what is going on with our rescued guy. We adopted him at 10 months, he was very very good. Now, after 3 months, we have reactive dog issues, along with "most of the time I'll listen but sometimes I can't hear you." I'm curious about the "3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months" thing. Could someone elaborate, please? If I knew that this was an adolescent phase, it would be easier to deal with for me. The guy weighs 10 lbs less than I do, so walks are not too much fun. He gets plenty of exercise despite the weather, and is very sweet and just lovely in home. I would love to just get over this hump!
03-07-2014 06:19 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by CrashBangWallop View Post
The gencon isn't a permanent thing - we all know this. If I walk Ode on a standard flat collar (and he will walk to heel with a standard collar/lead; we have done it late at night on empty streets), but if he sees another dog and "does his thing" - I have NO way of controlling him, he is just too, too strong for me. The head collar means I have the power to drag him away or lead him on or whatever. Without it, and with all the power in his neck, I have no chance and he'd be dragging me into the road or hurting his own throat.

I have been in contact with a customer at work who's parents breed GSDs and he says he can get me the number of a GSD specific trainer, which may go a ways to helping. I am really trying EVERYTHING I can think of. And it's knackering. But because I'm the one working 5 days a week and it's the boyfriend, not me, having to put up with him day in day out, it's a real stressful situation. I'm not usually the one at the end of all of Ode's naughtiness and stubbornness. I just come home and hear stories about how my OH can't cope with him anymore.

I love Ode so much and the thought of having to rehome him or something makes me feel sick. If there's a way past this to get the dog I want I am willing to spend the time and money... I just can't help scaring myself that this is something we will be dealing with every day of our lives for the next ten years. I also fret that if we don't find a method that works the excitement will one day flip and turn into aggression.

Sorry... Just ended up ranting a little bit there.
:0 That's a rant?? Wait till you've been here awhile! Pretty sure you'll see a rant American style!

You do need to try and relax and for the record "what you're doing with that collar is exactly why I don't use them! Used "incorrectly" they can cause harm to the dog's neck.

Try and avoid putting the dog/boyfriend under stress if it's fewer walks it's fewer walks. If the boy friend is taking him out and it's a battle between the two of them...stop doing it.

Have him work on the loose leash training at home ,if that's an option? Try that while you look for a new trainer. Otherwise you're simply reinforcing bad behaviour!Plus it will help the dog/boyfriend bond! Imagine what it will be like if "he" can train the dog to walk well on a leash!

But..If what you're doing is not working...keep doing it???
I did what you're doing with my first dog, I misused a tool on him, great dog off leash, lousy on leash a 10 yr mistake!

I used only a flat collar and loose leash on my following dogs, they turned out great on or off a leash. I figured out what "I" was doing wrong and changed it.

Oh and one basic: a tight leash puts tension on a dog, it tells him..get ready for action! Exactly the opposite of the action you want! A loose leash says "move along dog nothing to see here!"

But you have to relax, you can't fix everything at once and stressing yourself out helps no one!
03-07-2014 05:47 PM
Eiros Lol yeah, I think this is the age that they start testing the boundaries... Our 10 month old can be a serious butthead sometimes.

We actually do daycare with Warden too. He loves it, and I trust the handlers and the dogs they choose for him. Like your situation though, this does not translate to real life! I do not let him interact with strange dogs. He is in a heel at my side when we pass another dog, and I'll go out of my way to avoid a dog that's pulling towards him, growling, etc.

I found that fenced In tennis and basketball courts are a great place to let them loose to roam, and practice off leash commands. Still a park environment, but safer than letting them loose.


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03-07-2014 05:45 PM
CrashBangWallop The gencon isn't a permanent thing - we all know this. If I walk Ode on a standard flat collar (and he will walk to heel with a standard collar/lead; we have done it late at night on empty streets), but if he sees another dog and "does his thing" - I have NO way of controlling him, he is just too, too strong for me. The head collar means I have the power to drag him away or lead him on or whatever. Without it, and with all the power in his neck, I have no chance and he'd be dragging me into the road or hurting his own throat.

I have been in contact with a customer at work who's parents breed GSDs and he says he can get me the number of a GSD specific trainer, which may go a ways to helping. I am really trying EVERYTHING I can think of. And it's knackering. But because I'm the one working 5 days a week and it's the boyfriend, not me, having to put up with him day in day out, it's a real stressful situation. I'm not usually the one at the end of all of Ode's naughtiness and stubbornness. I just come home and hear stories about how my OH can't cope with him anymore.

I love Ode so much and the thought of having to rehome him or something makes me feel sick. If there's a way past this to get the dog I want I am willing to spend the time and money... I just can't help scaring myself that this is something we will be dealing with every day of our lives for the next ten years. I also fret that if we don't find a method that works the excitement will one day flip and turn into aggression.

Sorry... Just ended up ranting a little bit there.
03-07-2014 05:36 PM
Chip18 Not much a fan of headcollars and gimmicks myself. If a dog isn't doing what I want then I try and figure out what I'm doing wrong!

At five months, losing focus is not a big surprise, that's why your training him. But If you need that "crap" to walk him then that's probably, your first step in the new dog process,ditching it. I gave "my" opinion on "gizmos" so you can infer from that what "I" think of your trainer.

Notice on the video I posted..no gimmicks for the walking and treats not toys were used. Some dogs will work for toys some won't. Yours seems to indicated he won't? Why are you still using it?
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Your "thinking" about what you're doing and that's the most important step! Give this a thought also.

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