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07-22-2014 01:48 PM
glowingtoadfly
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Originally Posted by Jax08 View Post
Well...excuse me. I was asking a serious question with the intent of only sharing insight. I won't do it again. Carry on.
I'd be interested to hear the insight, if you don't mind. I was only replying and didn't mean to come off as dismissive. I couldn't get a read on your tone?
07-22-2014 12:30 PM
Cassidy's Mom
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Originally Posted by Merciel View Post
It's one of many reasons that I'm not so interested in what labels people put on themselves or their dogs, but in what they actually do. I don't care about the value judgments; I want to know what the actions are.
I agree. I don't have a label for how I train, it's just how I train, and what works great for one dog may not be that effective for the other, so I'm constantly learning and adapting.

Even Suzanne Clothier is not a believer in positive only. I've related this story before, but a few years ago I attended a weekend seminar with her and she talked about being with a group of trainers once that she challenged to teach her to do something using only positive methods. When they started, she got up, walked out the door and across the street. No fair they said, how can we teach you something if you leave! Her reply? "You didn't tell me I couldn't".

While it's great to teach your dog what TO do, and I spend quite a lot of time doing that as foundation work, it's also important to teach your dog what NOT to do.
07-22-2014 12:30 PM
Jax08 Well...excuse me. I was asking a serious question with the intent of only sharing insight. I won't do it again. Carry on.
07-22-2014 12:20 PM
glowingtoadfly I didn't say that the two were mutually exclusive... I still use positive techniques in combination with corrections.
07-22-2014 12:17 PM
Jax08
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Originally Posted by glowingtoadfly View Post
I will have to check that out! I am still interested in positive training despite recently working with a prong.
Why do you think you can not train positively if you use a prong? Do you teach your children consequences but still respond to them in a positive manner 98% of the time?

If it's done correctly, they understand what a correction is, and you are consistent then you don't need to have major Come To Jesus moments of correction.
07-22-2014 11:22 AM
glowingtoadfly I will have to check that out! I am still interested in positive training despite recently working with a prong.
07-22-2014 11:13 AM
middleofnowhere I don't know if I've posted to this or not.

Take a look at Sheila Booth's Purely Positive: Companion to Competition. Then look at her bio. That should help discount those who maintain that positive doesn't work for working line dogs/schutzhund training.

I get impatient and screw up from time to time. So I'm just a wannabe on the positive side of things.
07-22-2014 08:02 AM
blackshep OMG Carriesue, I just posted the exact same link you did. lol
07-22-2014 08:02 AM
blackshep I didn't read all the posts, so forgive me if this has already been said 10 x.

Leerburg did a vid on why positive only doesn't work. I do think it's great for reinforcing wanted behaviours, and is wonderful for puppies and shaping behaviours. But sooner or later your dog is going to need to hear the word NO.

Remember, a correction doesn't mean you're being abusive. It's not meant to hurt or injure the dog and it's not something you do out of anger.

But also keep in mind, if you have a high drive dog who's high in drive (doing schutzhund, for example), you're probably going to have a very hard time using positive only and being successful.

The Problem with All-Positive Dog Training
07-21-2014 11:48 PM
Carriesue I did positive only training with my GSD the first year of his life, biggest mistake I ever made! It got me a dog that just blew me off and wasn't reliable. When I added in corrections with a prong/e-collar it totally changed everything, his reliability is improving and our bond is much deeper; he seems happier knowing exactly what I want from him. I just don't believe in one training method fits all for every dog.

The Problem with All-Positive Dog Training - YouTube
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