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03-06-2014 09:51 AM
Gwenhwyfair In blue I wish that were true in the literal sense. There would be no demand for the 'puppy in the window' to begin with if people really understood what they were actually 'buying into'.

anyhoo....

My response in this thread was directed at the 'trickle down' AKA slippery slope aspect the OP mentioned. Not this legislation specifically.


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I can't see that being a concern with this type of legislation.

We all know that no good breeder allows their puppies to be sold in a pet store. So if you prohibit pet stores from selling puppies, full stop, no good breeders are affected and an important avenue closes for the millers.

They can still sell on the Internet, sure, but this takes out a big chunk of window-shopping impulse buyers and the "I consider him a rescue" deluded bleeding hearts. And there's no downside, as far as I can see. To the extent that pet stores operate as additional exposure for shelter and rescue animals, that helps too.

(The second point leads to a number of mixed-blessing issues -- basically, adoption centers in pet supply shops tend to skim off the cutest and most adoptable animals; it's the same thing as when limited admission shelters take the most adoptable pets from open admission shelters -- but at the end of the day I am still convinced it's ultimately more of a good thing than not.)
03-05-2014 10:01 PM
selzer
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I believe that more and more municipalities will enact legislation similar to this in the years to come. And, when they do, it will significantly disrupt the business model that many puppy millers have built their business around. But, we must also recognize that there will still be many puppy millers/puppy brokers out there that will just turn more and more to the Internet as an alternate distribution channel. So, based on my assessment of the situation, I do feel it is important that federal, state and municipal Animal Welfare laws make adjustments to keep pace with current realities.
The millers will find a way to sell puppies.

I think that pet stores are one of the worst ways to sell puppies though. Puppies are transported there in horrible conditions, and are often sick. Sick puppies get other puppies sick. The cages are small and the pup has to potty where it lays. It caters to impulse buying. And people feel they just have to get the pup out of those conditions, so they spend the money on it.

I guess I think that selling them over the internet or in parking lots, is better than the pet store route. At least litters will remain together until they go to their new homes. I don't like seeing single puppies stuck for days, even months in those tiny boxes.
03-05-2014 09:54 PM
selzer All puppies sold in pet stores are from seedy breeders. No good breeder will let a stranger sell her puppy to the first person who puts down enough cash. No good breeder will allow a puppy to sit in a box in a pet store around a bunch of other puppies. It is cruel. No decent breeder considers selling dogs in pet stores.

A breeder may sell a few pet-related objects, like specific food or crates or stainless steel bowls. I can see that happening. But pet stores in general should not be selling puppies.

And, as against any new laws as I usually am, I would support a law to prohibit the sale of puppies in a store setting.
03-05-2014 09:37 PM
LifeofRiley I believe that more and more municipalities will enact legislation similar to this in the years to come. And, when they do, it will significantly disrupt the business model that many puppy millers have built their business around. But, we must also recognize that there will still be many puppy millers/puppy brokers out there that will just turn more and more to the Internet as an alternate distribution channel. So, based on my assessment of the situation, I do feel it is important that federal, state and municipal Animal Welfare laws make adjustments to keep pace with current realities.
03-05-2014 07:22 PM
LifeofRiley
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03-05-2014 06:30 PM
Merciel
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Originally Posted by Gwenhwyfair View Post
It's the 'trickle down' part that worries me.

Some puppy mills are obviously cruel and unsanitary. Then there are the puppy factory farms usually run by well heeled business men who are able to meet sanitary standards but really aren't breeding for genetic health or quality of life of the poor females that pump out litter after litter.

This sort of thing often leads to regulatory capture where only the big boys can meet the bar but still flaunt the principle behind 'bans' like this.
I can't see that being a concern with this type of legislation.

We all know that no good breeder allows their puppies to be sold in a pet store. So if you prohibit pet stores from selling puppies, full stop, no good breeders are affected and an important avenue closes for the millers.

They can still sell on the Internet, sure, but this takes out a big chunk of window-shopping impulse buyers and the "I consider him a rescue" deluded bleeding hearts. And there's no downside, as far as I can see. To the extent that pet stores operate as additional exposure for shelter and rescue animals, that helps too.

(The second point leads to a number of mixed-blessing issues -- basically, adoption centers in pet supply shops tend to skim off the cutest and most adoptable animals; it's the same thing as when limited admission shelters take the most adoptable pets from open admission shelters -- but at the end of the day I am still convinced it's ultimately more of a good thing than not.)
03-05-2014 06:06 PM
katro It passed!!

Chicago puppy mill bill passes 49-1 - chicagotribune.com
03-05-2014 06:00 PM
JakodaCD OA they are trying to do this in CT as well, yippee hope it goes thru
03-05-2014 05:51 PM
llombardo It's a start.
03-05-2014 03:56 PM
Gwenhwyfair Well...it's not that it's 'unrealistic' but rather that these type of bans aren't addressing the underlying problems.

In my world, which admittedly swings from hopeful to cynical, I'm wondering how anyone could not be aware of the problems with pet store puppies now a days? It seems like most people should know better and not be buying puppies from pet stores, no demand would solve the problem. But still there are pet stores selling puppies and people buying.

That's what leaves me shaking my head.....


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Sometimes I just enjoy being hopeful. I can dream of a "perfect" world where nothing ever goes wrong, and everything is rainbows, unicorns and candy can't I? I'm well aware that's completely unrealistic.
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