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03-07-2014 12:19 PM
Momto2GSDs Here are some thoughts:

Per PetMD: "For some dogs, eating feces is a behavior learned from the litter-mates and/or mother. But, dogs that are fed a low-quality food (or an insufficient amount of food) may also resort to eating feces in an instinctual attempt to balance out a dietary deficiency. This may be further exacerbated if your dog has a digestive enzyme deficiency, because it prevents any of the food’s nutrients to be properly absorbed by the body. Basically, your dog is attempting to eat feces in the hopes to forgo starving to death."

Dr. Karen Becker: "Dogs on entirely processed, dry food diets, who eat no living foods at all, will intentionally seek out other sources of digestive enzymes to make up for their own lifelong enzyme deficiency. Feeding your pet a diet containing human-grade protein, probiotics and supplemental digestive enzymes can sometimes curb the urge to find gross sources of free enzymes around the yard or in the cats litter box."

Coprophagia can also be caused by a Vitamin-B1 (Thiamine) deficiency. “B-1 deficiency can be caused by feeding your dog a low-quality or a nutritionally incomplete diet (Dogspire).”



Vitamin Code Raw B Complex: RAW ORGANIC FRUIT AND VEGETABLE BLEND(ORGANIC:STRAWBERRY,CHERRY,BLACKBERRY, RASPBERRY,BEET JUICE,BROCCOLI,CUCUMBER,TOMATO,KALE,SPINACH,CABBAG E,CAULIFLOWER,CELERY,PARSLEY,ASPARAGUS,GINGER)
Amazon.com: Garden of Life Vitamin Code Raw B-Complex Capsules, 120 Count: Health & Personal Care Amazon.com: Garden of Life Vitamin Code Raw B-Complex Capsules, 120 Count: Health & Personal Care


The dog may need some Vitamin K-1. You can supply this naturally to her diet by adding 1 Tablespoon of chopped parsley every other day (never use synthetic Vitamin K-3, also called Menadione Sodium Bisulfate, as prolonged use can possibly damage organs and have a carcinogenic effect). Additionally, “the flavonoids in parsley—especially luteolin—have been shown to function as antioxidants that combine with highly reactive oxygen-containing molecules (called oxygen radicals) and help prevent oxygen-based damage to cells. In addition, extracts from parsley have been used in animal studies to help increase the antioxidant capacity of the blood.”

Adding animal based enzymes and fresh foods that contain Vitamin B-1 (Thiamine) could curb this habit.

BileX is an animal based digestive enzyme and very cost effective. It contains Pancreatin, Ox Bile Extract and Papin (Papaya). Crush 1 or 1 ½ tablets between 2 spoons and mix into the dogs food.
Bilex 90 Tablets by Douglas Laboratories Pro-Biotics also aides the gut: For Pets Probiotic Pet Probiotics | Optimal Digestive Health for Pets - Mercola.com

Another Digestive Enzyme/ProBiotic combination is called Sunday Sundae: http://ineedthat.corecommerce.com/Sunday-Sundae.html

Here are some fresh foods that you can add to your dogs’ diet.
Pork is high in B-1. 1/3rd cup served raw(or even slightly cooked) several times per week may help. Pork must be frozen for at least one week before it is given to your dog. Choose very lean pork such as diced “taco meat” without any seasonings added or purchase pork chops on sale, take off most of the fat and cut in smaller pieces before freezing. Introduce slowly in small amounts at first.


Liver from Beef, Pork(frozen for one week), and Chicken contain Thiamine. Raw or slightly cooked.

Asparagus (pureed), green peas (pureed), ground flax seed and tuna (cooked) also have high quantities of B-1 that can be added to the diet.

If you look for a commercially prepared “stool deterrent” so that he/she won't eat their own feces, make sure that it doesn't contain MSG (Mono-sodium Glutamate) which can be toxic.
Please research MSG (Accent) before purchasing as it is VERY suspect of being a dangerous toxin:
Per Wiki: MSG is classified by the FDA as an excitotoxin, a dangerous neurotoxin that shrivels and kills brain cells and has been linked to causing seizures, migraines, heart palpitations and even cancer, amongst it's many symptoms.... in people! Never mind your dog, YOU should be avoiding MSG! It's definitely one of those things you should not feed a dog.
http://evidenceofmsgtoxicity.blogspot.com/: All processed free glutamic acid (MSG) – no matter how produced -- is neurotoxic (kills brain cells) and is endocrine disrupting (damages the endocrine system) (7-8). In addition, all processed free glutamic acid (MSG) will cause adverse reactions ranging from feelings of mild discomfort or simple skin rash to such things as irritable bowel, asthma, migraine headache, mood swings, heart irregularities, asthma, seizures, and depression when the amount of MSG ingested exceeds a person's MSG-tolerance level(9).
http://thehydrantblog.com/2012/07/31/dog-food-and-the-hidden-msg/ MSG or glutamate is a suspected addictive neurotoxin that has been associated with chest pain, headaches, numbness, asthmatic reactions, brain damage (in rats, rabbits, chicks and monkeys), depression, irritability, and mood changes, reproductive dysfunction in males and females, nervous symptoms (decreased sensibility in neck, arms and back) and irregular heartbeat. It’s also on the FDA’s list for further study for possible mutagenic teratogenic, subacute and reproductive effects.


If considering changing foods, I would suggest high quality food such as The Honest Kitchen Dehydrated Food www.thehonestkitchen.com , or Acana Grain Free www.acana.com or Fromm's Four Star Grain Free http://frommfamily.com/products/four-star/dog
Click on their “location finder” to type in you zip code for food retailers.

Training:
Per Whole Dog Journal: The four R’s of dog training, can be used to address almost any training issue:

1.REDUCE ENERGY
2.REDIRECT THE NEGATIVE
3.REINFORCE THE POSITIVE
4.REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT

Applying the four 4 R’s to address Coprophagia.

REDUCE ENERGY: “While debate continues as to whether coprophagia is a behavioral problem, there’s no doubt that dogs who are bored, receive little aerobic exercise or interesting play, and have unlimited access to their own or other
animals’ droppings will be difficult to discourage. Increasing the dog’s active exercise, giving him a larger assortment of interesting toys to play with, keeping the dog’s exercise area clean and free from
excrement, keeping cat litter boxes out of reach, and giving the dog several small meals per day rather than only one large meal can all help reduce his interest in coprophagia or at least reduce his opportunity to indulge”.

REDIRECT THE NEGATIVE: You need to first get your dog’s attention OFF the stool and to you. You may be able stop the behavior using a no reward marker (NO!) or duck noise (AAAAACCCKKKKK!) If this doesn’t work, you may need to try something stronger – perhaps an alarm, loud horn or whistle –any obnoxious noise to temporarily get the dog’s attention back to you. If this doesn’t work, try tossing a shake can (a small metal can filled with pebbles or coins) near your dog to get his attention. Some trainers have used a remotely operated citronella spray collar – when your dog turns around to eat the feces, immediately push the button on the remote to spray the dog in the face with the citronella spray to get his attention away from the feces. You may need to have your dog on a lead that you can step on, to prevent him from getting to the feces before you can redirect him. NEXT – let your dog know what you WANT him to do by redirecting his behavior. For some dogs, yelling DO YOU WANT A COOKIE and waving a treat bag in the air will get your dog running towards you! You might have to bring out your dogs favorite toy (A squeak toy? A tennis ball?) and entice him with that. You might engage your dog in a game of chase by running in the opposite direction! Do whatever it takes to get
your dog to come to you! The name of the game is “do your business, then come running to me for a reward”.

REINFORCE THE POSITIVE: When your dog comes running to you, enthusiastically reward the behavior with a verbal marker (YES, GOOD BOY) and an incredibly tasty high value food treat – dry biscuits aren’t going to cut it here!

REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT: When teaching any type of new behavior, you must repeat, repeat, repeat! Practice makes perfect. Consistency is critical. Behaviorists estimate that it will take at least a month – and possibly as long as six months –to break this habit, but with practice (and the use of very high value treats), your dog will learn that running back to you after doing his business results in good things happening to him – high value treats! Yum!




Moms
03-04-2014 03:18 PM
Sindyeli I supposed I could live with it if it were just a dietary preference but last fall he went through a bad bout of diarrhea and we had to put him on antibiotics. The vet said dogs have a certain threshold with eating junk/crap and when they reach it, they get sick, then get medicine, then eat more junk/crap until they get sick again, etc. So I'd prefer to avoid what he went through back then but that means keeping an eye on him all the time, and often putting him on leash as you never know what they'll find, right?
03-04-2014 02:11 PM
MatildaTheMalevolent My pup does the same thing. Drives me insane! Hoping she out grows it. I currently give her Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy mixed with Wet Pedigree. About to try a more nutrient rich food and see if she'll knock it off.
03-04-2014 01:56 PM
Msmaria
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Originally Posted by Sindyeli View Post
He's the only dog and will eat "selectively", as mentioned earlier. Not all poop tastes the same, I guess (yikes!).
Lol, he may like what their food tastes like. My dog eats the squirrel, duck poops at the park. It's so gross. Well to us it is. I'm sure mine wouldn't mind if I picked them up and used them for treats.
03-04-2014 01:28 PM
Sindyeli He's the only dog and will eat "selectively", as mentioned earlier. Not all poop tastes the same, I guess (yikes!).
03-04-2014 12:40 PM
Msmaria Are the other dogs, your dogs. Just wondering if they are on the same diet or not. Is he eating random dogs feces?
03-04-2014 12:23 PM
katro Hmm... he might just like it! Mine will eat rabbit poop and would clean the litter boxes for us if we let him. Sorry, that's of no help!
03-04-2014 11:50 AM
Sindyeli I would be surprised if he didn't get nutrients from his food... he's on Taste of the Wild Salmon, + Salmon Oil + 1 packet Fortiflora, with Alaska Naturals Salmon for treats and occasional Lava Lake Lamb treats. He is every other day on Temaril-P, a very small dosage for his rhinitis-like allergies. Almost daily he gets a few frozen cranberries, or blueberries, or pieces of banana, a tidbit of clarified butter, a bite of raw ground bison, or wild rose berries directly from bushes outside (he loves them!). I would think that would all be balanced.
Also he does not eat his own feces, only other dogs', and not all. Maybe that's not important since he does it anyways?
03-04-2014 11:39 AM
katro I have heard that one of the reasons dogs eat their own feces is when they are not getting/digesting the nutrients that they need (so they eat the poop because it smells like it still has essential nutrition in it). A vet visit might be in order.

"Medical problems are a common cause, including pancreatic insufficiency or enzyme deficiency. Intestinal malabsorption and GI parasites are also common medical reasons that can prompt a dog to eat his own poop."
Why Do Dogs Eat Poop?
03-04-2014 11:18 AM
Sindyeli
Now eating feces...

Malik, my GS, just turned 9 and it seems that in the past 3 months or so, he has developed a liking for some feces. Never his own, and he is certainly selective in his choice but it was never an issue before and I wonder why a dog would start doing that at that age.
He also has a tendency to want to eat the sticks he finds and plays with so I am keeping an eye on him at all times...
Any clues/comments?

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