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03-03-2014 11:11 AM
GatorBytes Canine zinc-responsive de... [Vet Clin North Am Small Anim Pract. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
03-03-2014 09:42 AM
ALDuke Diesel - Everything I do is either prescribed by my vet, or I have called her first. She thanked me for calling her first, as she has lost a few dogs due to "Dr. Internet" as she put it.

Jean - A big yes on the cyclo spring drops. The vet told me that will be a lifetime treatment. Glad you shared about the peeing in the living room. I was pretty scared yesterday. Usually, Duke will get up and down out of bed, but he stayed on my bed all night last night and even land his head on me. This whole thing is new to me and refreshing to talk to others who have had similar experiences. Thanks to everyone!
03-03-2014 08:49 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN You are keeping him on the cyclosporine drops though right? I have a dog with plasmoma and she's been on the drops since she was 5 - or maybe even younger (3) I believe (started with both drops for a month to get it under control). It is one of those autoimmune things so I don't boost her immune system, like Vinnie said.

Seems like you are doing a good job on all of this! I will tell you the larger black and tan dog in my avatar once peed in a friend's house. We were all shocked, and I asked if her dogs might have had an accident that he was marking over, so the husband bought one of those CSI type lights and they found tiny pees all over the house!!!! They replaced all their carpet - they said gee, thanks.
03-02-2014 11:55 PM
my boy diesel no offense to gator but alduke you need to be careful loading up on this or that
double check with vet to make sure of potential interactions and other unintended side effects
biopsies such as u describe are fairly accurate so i doubt it is another hidden health issue especailly since this breed is prone to those things
03-02-2014 08:47 PM
Vinnie Good.

PS. The dog I had with DLE is the dog in my avatar. He lived to be almost 12 years old and died of cancer.
03-02-2014 08:44 PM
ALDuke
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Hi Joe.

I had a dog with DLE (discoid lupus) but have never dealt with pannus. It's a lifelong management thing but doable. I never noticed any strange behavior from him. The only time he had an accident in the house (after puppy potty training) was the short stint while we were giving him prednisone as part of his treatment.

I would also caution you about some of the supplements listed in this thread. With the DLE you have to be careful as this is an overactive immune system (too many white blood cells). For example with DLE it is treating your dog's nose as the harmful bacteria and attacking it creating more white blood cells naturally to help in it's fight against the nose. You don't want to support the increase of the white blood cells in this case.

A few good things to check into would be a topical for the nose, keep the dog indoors during the hours when the sun is the highest and check into a good diet. A diet high in fish is really good. It's been a while but we use to feed OMH Wellness White Fish and then went to raw feeding where I controlled all the ingredients of his diet. And find an alternate to the prednisone (please).

I don't frequent the board anymore but if you want to talk about the DLE or want a second opinion, send me a PM. I'll be happy to offer as much help as I can.
Thanks, Vinnie. We plan to stop the steroid drops on Tuesday. My vet doesnt want him on them long term, as it would hamper the body's to heal the cornea when it naturally becomes damaged in day to day doggy stuff.
03-02-2014 08:39 PM
Vinnie Hi Joe.

I had a dog with DLE (discoid lupus) but have never dealt with pannus. It's a lifelong management thing but doable. I never noticed any strange behavior from him. The only time he had an accident in the house (after puppy potty training) was the short stint while we were giving him prednisone as part of his treatment.

I would also caution you about some of the supplements listed in this thread. With the DLE you have to be careful as this is an overactive immune system (too many white blood cells). For example with DLE it is treating your dog's nose as the harmful bacteria and attacking it creating more white blood cells naturally to help in it's fight against the nose. You don't want to support the increase of the white blood cells in this case. Remember you are treating 2 things and not just the pannus.

A few good things to check into would be a topical for the nose (ask your vet), keep the dog indoors during the hours when the sun is the highest and check into a good diet. A diet high in fish is really good. It's been a while but we use to feed OMH Wellness White Fish (might be better out there now so check) and then went to raw feeding where I controlled all the ingredients of his diet. And find an alternate to the prednisone (please).

I don't frequent the board anymore but if you want to talk about the DLE or want a second opinion, send me a PM. I'll be happy to offer as much help as I can.
03-02-2014 08:37 PM
ALDuke
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Higher levels are in the 10,000 range (not a typo)

What about "zinc responsive dermatitis"...was supplemental zinc tried first? Zinc is very important for immune function and also mimics same symptoms as discoid lupus.

How was this conclusion made (tests) that came to lupus and pannus (if you don't mind sharing)?
Don't mind at all. The Lupus was diagnosed after a biopsy was performed on samples from three parts of his snout/nose. Also will have a Derk consult for the vet, so we have a skin expert opinion for path forward. The Pannus was pretty evident after it blood vessels (believe thats what it was) started forming across the eye towards the middle, out from the dark area he Pannus started as. No Zinc was tried
03-02-2014 08:29 PM
GatorBytes
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Thanks for the reassurance, Catherine! With all of this hitting at the same time, it's scary. I will definitely keep notes and have been doing sort of a time lapse photo album of the Pannus and Lupus for my vet.

Gator - I picked up some of the doggle goggles and they seemed to hurt around his eyes (kept pawing at the area after they were removed) so I may try some of the sunglasses doggles. They seem to keep peripheral vision and may be more comfortable. As for any additional supplements, I had asked her about the vitamin A. She did some checking and it can be toxic at higher levels, which she said could lead to liver problems.

Thanks for taking the time to help folks. It means the world to me!

Joe
Higher levels are in the 10,000 range (not a typo)

What about "zinc responsive dermatitis"...was supplemental zinc tried first? Zinc is very important for immune function and also mimics same symptoms as discoid lupus.

How was this conclusion made (tests) that came to lupus and pannus (if you don't mind sharing)?
03-02-2014 08:22 PM
my boy diesel that is it
pred will do that to a dog
it is hard when they need it to calm inflammation
but the side effects are increased thirst and increased peeing
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