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03-03-2014 05:11 PM
dcg9381 I stopped vaccinating also. Like you, we were give an prognosis of 30-60 days from a veterinary neurologist at a teaching hospital. He walked for 3 years after that.

He basically never went back to the vet after that... He was healthy enough. Our county requires vaccinations also, but the only way I'd be in trouble is if we had a bite incident, which wasn't going to happen. The local municipalities aren't as aggressive as they are in NJ, apparently.

I eventually had to board him for a trip and most professional boarding facilities require vaccinations. I asked a vet (a friend) to write a vaccination waiver. She indicating that vaccinations have been shown to trigger auto-immune functions and that there is some believe that DM is an auto-immune disease, no problems after that. I may still have the letter it helps. You should be able to get a vet to write something similar. See if that works.

On those genetic tests:
There are two different tests. They look for different things.
Neither has been proven to be accurate with the GSD.
03-01-2014 12:01 AM
Momto2GSDs EXCELLENT!

I wish you the best of luck! Keep us posted!

Moms
02-28-2014 11:50 PM
Mrpuck
Quote:
Originally Posted by Momto2GSDs View Post
THIS!

Also, more reading on the subject:

The Rabies Vaccine for Dogs: Side Effects and Precautions You Can Take Your veterinarian has a legal and ethical obligation to fully inform you about the risks and benefits of any vaccination. Read what an attorney and veterinarian has to say about a vet's obligation of
Informed Consent.


Is Your Dog’s Vet a Vaccination Expert?


See line 30 for NJ Exemption RABIES LAWS IN THE UNITED STATES as of 6/16/10
Thank you so much Moms! I live not far from Randolph. For the $50-60 office visit it'll be worth seeing Brian Voynick to see if he can help.
02-28-2014 11:46 PM
Mrpuck
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorBytes View Post
I would ask the vet to refer to the manufacture's insert in the vaccine that advises against at any time of illness.

Then I would ask them to sign a waiver with explicit clause that they will pay for all treatment costs post vaccine.

Then I would ask them again to write a vaccine waiver.

If they still won't - tell them that they will be summoned for your hearing.
I like your way of thinking, because you're right they just won't sign anything. Here in NJ especially it seems vets do not want to get involved with "not" vaccinating for rabies. I mean the state even has an exemption letter that I filled out and brought to them. All they had to do was sign it, and they wouldn't. I'll look into the titer options, although I don't expect the town to buy it. And then may have to move on to your suggestions.
02-28-2014 11:46 PM
Momto2GSDs
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorBytes View Post
I would ask the vet to refer to the manufacture's insert in the vaccine that advises against at any time of illness.

Then I would ask them to sign a waiver with explicit clause that they will pay for all treatment costs post vaccine.

Then I would ask them again to write a vaccine waiver.

If they still won't - tell them that they will be summoned for your hearing.
THIS!

Also, more reading on the subject:

The Rabies Vaccine for Dogs: Side Effects and Precautions You Can Take Your veterinarian has a legal and ethical obligation to fully inform you about the risks and benefits of any vaccination. Read what an attorney and veterinarian has to say about a vet's obligation of
Informed Consent.


Is Your Dog’s Vet a Vaccination Expert?


See line 30 for NJ Exemption RABIES LAWS IN THE UNITED STATES as of 6/16/10

Here are some registered Holistic Vets in NJ that would most likely help you with a waiver.
Name
Address
State/Province, Zip/Postal Code
Website




Buchoff, Gerald
BVScAH
HOLISTIC PET CARE, P.A.
973-256-3899
125 Paterson Avenue
Little Falls
NJ
07424
United States
www.hpcnj.com
AVIAN, EQUINE, EXOTIC, HOUSE CALLS, SMALL ANIMAL
Acupuncture, Bach Flowers, Chinese Herbs, Chiropractic, Chiropractic (AVCA), Clinical Nutrition, Conventional Medicine, Glandular Therapy, Homeopathy, Homeopathy-Classical, Homotoxicology, Nutrition, Ozone Therapy, Reiki, VOM, Western Herbs




Collins, Karen
VMD
215-687-6245
148 E. Maple Ave
Langhorne
PA
19047
United States
www.holisticpethealing.byregion.net
SMALL ANIMAL
Acupuncture, Acupuncture (CHI), Bach Flowers, Chinese Herbs (Chi Institute), Conventional Medicine, Homotoxicology, Nutrition, Reiki




Fischer, Kenneth
DVM
HILLSDALE ANIMAL HOSPITAL
201-358-6520
201 BROADWAY
Hillsdale
NJ
07642
United States
www.healingvet.com
SMALL ANIMAL
Acupuncture, Acupuncture (IVAS), Bach Flowers, Chinese Herbs, Chiropractic, Chiropractic (AVCA), Clinical Nutrition, Conventional Medicine, Glandular Therapy, Homotoxicology, Nutrition












Lounsberry, Sheila
DVM
VETERINARY ACUPUNCTURE SERVICES, INC
973-726-6414
66 WOODPORT ROAD
Sparta
NJ
07871
United States
www.drlounsberry.com
EQUINE, SMALL ANIMAL
Acupuncture, Acupuncture (IVAS), Chinese Herbs, Chiropractic, Chiropractic (AVCA), Clinical Nutrition, Conventional Medicine, Homotoxicology, Ozone Therapy, Western Herbs
Manziano, Rosemary
DVM
COLTS NECK ANIMAL CLINIC
732-780-4211
261 Rt 34
Colts Neck
NJ
07722-1714
United States
www.homeovet.com
EXOTIC, SMALL ANIMAL
Chiropractic (AVCA), Homeopathy, Homeopathy-Classical




Newkirk, Mark
VMD
Newkirk Family Veterinarians
609-645-2120
9200 Ventnor Avenue
Margate
NJ
08402
United States
www.newkirkfamilyveterinarians.com
AVIAN, EXOTIC, SMALL ANIMAL
Applied Kinesiology, Bach Flowers, Chinese Herbs, Chiropractic, Clinical Nutrition, Conventional Medicine, Glandular Therapy, Homeopathy, Homotoxicology, IAT (Immuno-Augmentive Therapy), NAET, Ozone Therapy, VOM, Western Herbs


Rodrigues, Wendy
DVM
908-892-9991
Warren
NJ
07059
United States
www.VisitingVetNJ.com
HOUSE CALLS, SMALL ANIMAL
Acupuncture (IVAS), Acupuncture (Tufts), Applied Kinesiology, Chinese Herbs (Chi Institute), Conventional Medicine, Homotoxicology, Nutrition, VOM


Stryeski, Kathleen
DVM
609-737-2800
21 Route 31 North
Pennington
NJ
08534
USA
windsongpet.com
SMALL ANIMAL
Acupuncture (CHI), Chinese Herbs (Chi Institute), Clinical Nutrition, Homeopathy, Massage Therapy, Nutrition
Tsakiris, Alexia
BVET Med
732-759-0351
P.O. Box 84
Monmouth Beach
NJ
07750
USA
HOUSE CALLS, SMALL ANIMAL
Acupuncture, Acupuncture (CHI), Chinese Herbs (Chi Institute), Western Herbs




Voynick, Brian
DVM
AMERICAN ANIMAL HOSPITAL
973-895-4999
1202 SUSSEX TURNPIKE
Randolph
NJ
07869
United States
www.americananimalhospital.com
SMALL ANIMAL
Acupuncture, Acupuncture (IVAS), Chinese Herbs, Chiropractic, Glandular Therapy, Homeopathy, IAT (Immuno-Augmentive Therapy), Nutrition, Pulsating Magnetic Therapy, Western Herbs

Good Luck!
Moms
02-28-2014 11:43 PM
Mrpuck
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
Thank you it will be shared and to be clear..so she is still up and running?
She is indeed. Kinda amazed really, she has some trouble going up and down steps. But overall she is still running around daily and showing very few signs of illness. Just turned 8 this month.
02-28-2014 09:26 PM
Chip18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrpuck View Post
She started showing signs in August 2012, we came home from vacation and the house/dog sitter we had checking in and taking her out said the house was a complete mess.
She became incontinent during our trip, and every time she would lay down she'd leak.
Needless to say our house was a mess.

We took her to the vet upon returning, and he sent us to a neurologist after trying a few antibiotics thinking it was some type of urinary tract infection.

Specialist saw her, and then pointed out how her rear nails were all worn completely down.
And sometimes how her legs would cross a bit in the rear. I guess I had never really noticed it but when she pointed it out it was definitely there. She did Xrays etc. and blood tests and finally ordered the special test for DM to go out which I believe she said goes to Indiana University or something similar. Little over a week later got back the news she was DM positive and there was nothing we can do. Dr. said keep her as active as much as possible to prevent further onset and gave her about 6 months of having a good life left. Where we'd then wind up wheel chairing her, or putting her to sleep.

I researched the **** out of the disease, since even the specialist admitted it's relatively "new" to them and there are still a lot of unknowns except they say it's not painful to the dog, and they feel it's genetic. We changed her diet to full raw diet, except for kibble in the morning (Orijen) so we could begin giving her vitamins as I read online.
She now gets Kibble with 4 squirts salmon oil, Missing Link (Vet Strength), Vitamin E 2000iu, Vitamin C, and Super B-Complex.

It's been 18 months now since she was brought in having issues walking, and incotinent.
About a month after I started the diet change, she stopped having incotinent issues. And she appears to have much more strength in her legs. She runs around the yard still daily like crazy. It's almost like she is a different dog.

Needless to say, Dr's don't always know everything. We're greatful for every additional day we get with her but also realize it could come back at any time.

Sorry for the long winded response, but I like sharing it. Often times it's not as nice of a story.
Thank you it will be shared and to be clear..so she is still up and running?
02-28-2014 08:34 PM
GatorBytes I would ask the vet to refer to the manufacture's insert in the vaccine that advises against at any time of illness.

Then I would ask them to sign a waiver with explicit clause that they will pay for all treatment costs post vaccine.

Then I would ask them again to write a vaccine waiver.

If they still won't - tell them that they will be summoned for your hearing.
02-28-2014 03:03 PM
Mrpuck She started showing signs in August 2012, we came home from vacation and the house/dog sitter we had checking in and taking her out said the house was a complete mess.
She became incontinent during our trip, and every time she would lay down she'd leak.
Needless to say our house was a mess.

We took her to the vet upon returning, and he sent us to a neurologist after trying a few antibiotics thinking it was some type of urinary tract infection.

Specialist saw her, and then pointed out how her rear nails were all worn completely down.
And sometimes how her legs would cross a bit in the rear. I guess I had never really noticed it but when she pointed it out it was definitely there. She did Xrays etc. and blood tests and finally ordered the special test for DM to go out which I believe she said goes to Indiana University or something similar. Little over a week later got back the news she was DM positive and there was nothing we can do. Dr. said keep her as active as much as possible to prevent further onset and gave her about 6 months of having a good life left. Where we'd then wind up wheel chairing her, or putting her to sleep.

I researched the **** out of the disease, since even the specialist admitted it's relatively "new" to them and there are still a lot of unknowns except they say it's not painful to the dog, and they feel it's genetic. We changed her diet to full raw diet, except for kibble in the morning (Orijen) so we could begin giving her vitamins as I read online.
She now gets Kibble with 4 squirts salmon oil, Missing Link (Vet Strength), Vitamin E 2000iu, Vitamin C, and Super B-Complex.

It's been 18 months now since she was brought in having issues walking, and incotinent.
About a month after I started the diet change, she stopped having incotinent issues. And she appears to have much more strength in her legs. She runs around the yard still daily like crazy. It's almost like she is a different dog.

Needless to say, Dr's don't always know everything. We're greatful for every additional day we get with her but also realize it could come back at any time.

Sorry for the long winded response, but I like sharing it. Often times it's not as nice of a story.
02-28-2014 02:43 PM
Chip18 Thanks for the info, I'll use the lower number till I find out otherwise.

How is your guy doing? First outward symptom as I know now! Usually left rear foot starts. You ca hear the toe nails click on hard surfaces, so keep an eye on the tops of the rear toes.
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