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03-12-2014 06:29 PM
carmspack hi Matt , friend of mine imported a working farm raised Doberman from Sweden -- ears down and tail natural. The dog screams confident strength. So different than the local bred and even German type, in a good way.
Person goes to local schutzhund club and they try to fit the square peg into the round hole -- make him a prey dog --- which just creates confusion. Put the dog with a good decoy and clarity and the dog is a super star. He impressed me . I would have and handle him any day.
He even tracks !
03-12-2014 05:53 PM
gsdsar Matt, you are right. A good stable GSD thinks through his drives. It's a whole different world. They bring something that I have not seen in other breeds. Granted I have not worked Dobes.


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03-12-2014 05:49 PM
Matt Vandart Lol, indeed.

I am finding myself more and more interested in GSD's to be honest though. I have never had one but I have to say, with more relevance to the thread, I have yet to see a dog from any other breed (even the best) show the same intensity in protection as the best GSD's, the closest maybe I have seen is a really good Doberman. Mals are intense but it seems in a different way if you get me.
What really strikes me about the really good GSD's is their controlled, methodical take on working, they just look like they 'think' more than many Mals. Maybe I just havn't seen a good Mal work like this.
Maybe this is another manifestation of the 'prey drive' than the headlong let's get in there kind of 'prey monkey' behaviour? More stalk than chase?
03-12-2014 07:39 AM
Blitzkrieg1 Matt you got the wrong kind of shepherds. Going to send you some black and tan spray paint so your dogs fit in.
03-12-2014 05:52 AM
Matt Vandart Hi duderinos!
03-11-2014 08:53 PM
hunterisgreat
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I joined this forum purely because of this thread, it was a great read with loads of good info and I don't think I remember seeing one bit of bitchiness, awesome
Hey Matt :-)
03-11-2014 08:51 PM
hunterisgreat
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one thing I would like to see changed in SchH sport is the very liberal use of the word Pronounced --- give it to those that truly deserve it .
Working line, show line . Does not matter .
I've railed about this before.
03-11-2014 06:59 PM
Blitzkrieg1
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thank you Cliff .

Can you rely too much on prey drive ---- YES . I think van Oirschot pretty much says this in an interview

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"If we want to improve the temperaments and use the instrument of the Breed Survey (Korung) should this be done by a more severe courage test (combative spirit) or must we have improved behavioural testing? Is demanding a harder courage test by working judges the solution?
At least we should debate it and not leave it to a delegate meeting of the SV where delegates are deciding in a polluted atmosphere of polarisation.

*************** For instance at a Breed Survey in Holland in December 2002 conducted by myself, I breed surveyed over 40 GSD. The majority came in Class 2. I saw some extraordinarily good GSD in the courage test.*****************

On the same day DNA testing was carried out in a small room by a Vet. The dogs had to enter an overcrowded canteen. Afterwards I was told that some of the dogs which did extremely well in the courage test and had high standards in the trials, behaved very nervously when testing for DNA. Some dogs could not be tested without being muzzled. The basic temperament (Weser) is not tested in a courage test. I would prefer to leave the ring with normal in a courage test and excellent behaviour in the above mentioned situation in DNA testing

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STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES

relying on prey conditioning, prey reward, prey training --- the dog can see its way through a stressful situation --- but that does not make it sound or stable elsewhere
Interesting there are notable KNPV dogs I have heard about whose handlers had some concerns with the microchip check Arko Kikkert and Wibo. Not fear issues but Im sure some would have said it was nerves when in reality it was social aggression. Not dogs that were known for allowing strangers to hover and prod.
03-11-2014 06:48 PM
Blitzkrieg1 Good to see you here Matt.
03-11-2014 05:00 PM
David Winners
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I joined this forum purely because of this thread, it was a great read with loads of good info and I don't think I remember seeing one bit of bitchiness, awesome
Welcome!

Good to see you here Matt.
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