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03-07-2014 01:16 AM
Harry and Lola Good on you for questioning the breeder.

My experience - I have had fairly good experiences with breeders of all my dogs except for one breeder which is a shame because he breeds for temperament and I really like the dogs he has produced but I would never buy from him again.

Talk to as many people you can and good luck with your new puppy
03-07-2014 12:51 AM
huntergreen op, i know exactly what from my next gsd. you need to be very sure of what you want and then find a breeder that can supply this gsd. be honest with your self and breeders you talk to. plenty of gsd being pts as they end up with the wrong dog. imho, wanting a dog in a two week time frame is mistake number 1. not being educated in the different flavors of gsd is your second mistake. limiting your geographical search is another mistake. seek out breeders on the forum and get their invaluable advice. and slow down. i myself would walk away from deposits rather than end up with the wrong dog.
03-03-2014 08:21 AM
glowingtoadfly I am currently rehabbing a WL girl who did not do well in her first pet home. She is not a pet, she is a companion, and that is what I love about her. She requires respect and a job of her handler. Sometimes dogs are produced who need working homes and that's ok.
03-02-2014 10:45 PM
Jack's Dad
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Originally Posted by RubyTuesday View Post
Andy, I said it very poorly if it wasn't clear that I consider a solid, stable dog with excellent nerves to be an essential part of being a pet. Such GSDs exist among all of the lines. However, it is -imo- important when seeking a pet to choose a breeder whose dogs have a proven track record as pets. Numerous wl & sl breeders, whose dogs frequently show & compete, produce such GSDs. There are others that -again imo- simply don't. Their dogs aren't really pets in the usual sense of the word & when placed as pets they have a high degree of failure which is usually blamed on the owner.

Some examples...in a thread about the alligator phase a member noted that her wl never really struggled with bite inhibition. He competes in SchH but learned appropriate bite inhibition very quickly, very easily. Bingo!

In another thread discussing helpers, a breeder noted she's had to explain to some helpers that her dogs don't bite children, ie if the dog doesn't detect a threat he doesn't aggress. Another Bingo!

Another thread had a breeder who frequently places dogs with LE showing pictures of his dogs happily playing with his grandchildren. Yes!

Another showed a breeder cuddled up with her wl dogs & cats in one big furry love ball.

Another member stated he'd never known a GSD that was naturally good with children. I've always disliked the breeder he got his dogs from & that statement further cemented my opinion.

I've spoken with a couple of breeders & read of a couple more who take great pride in their unapproachable GSD who can't be touched even with the owner present. (In 2 cases that I know of, the dogs are so unmanageable they can't go in for vet care). I know of 2 people who not only use these dogs as studs but sell the resulting pups as 'family dogs'.

I personally believe that a GSD of appropriate temperament should be able to excel as a family pet regardless of whatever else s/he does. That simply isn't always the case. People seeking a GSD as a pet should be certain that the breeder they choose produces dogs that are in fact successful pets. They might also do IPO...or SAR...or detection...or LE. None of those preclude being an excellent family dog but it should not be assumed that a breeder is producing GSDs that are well suited to being pets simply b/c the breeder claims that they are. Much like always claiming to produce good temperaments, breeders almost always claim their dogs make great pets. Discerning buyers who are seeking a pet should be certain such claims are true.

People planning to pursue IPO, SAR, obedience, agility etc are advised to seek breeders whose dogs actively participate & succeed in those endeavors. The same s/b done when seeking a pet. This doesn't mean avoid one line or favor another...Just be certain that the breeder's dogs are pets in the fullest sense of the word.
Yes, I most certainly agree with this post. Might start a thread on this very topic.
03-02-2014 10:19 PM
Germanshepherdlover2507
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Originally Posted by RubyTuesday View Post
Andy, I said it very poorly if it wasn't clear that I consider a solid, stable dog with excellent nerves to be an essential part of being a pet. Such GSDs exist among all of the lines. However, it is -imo- important when seeking a pet to choose a breeder whose dogs have a proven track record as pets. Numerous wl & sl breeders, whose dogs frequently show & compete, produce such GSDs. There are others that -again imo- simply don't. Their dogs aren't really pets in the usual sense of the word & when placed as pets they have a high degree of failure which is usually blamed on the owner.

Some examples...in a thread about the alligator phase a member noted that her wl never really struggled with bite inhibition. He competes in SchH but learned appropriate bite inhibition very quickly, very easily. Bingo!

In another thread discussing helpers, a breeder noted she's had to explain to some helpers that her dogs don't bite children, ie if the dog doesn't detect a threat he doesn't aggress. Another Bingo!

Another thread had a breeder who frequently places dogs with LE showing pictures of his dogs happily playing with his grandchildren. Yes!

Another showed a breeder cuddled up with her wl dogs & cats in one big furry love ball.

Another member stated he'd never known a GSD that was naturally good with children. I've always disliked the breeder he got his dogs from & that statement further cemented my opinion.

I've spoken with a couple of breeders & read of a couple more who take great pride in their unapproachable GSD who can't be touched even with the owner present. (In 2 cases that I know of, the dogs are so unmanageable they can't go in for vet care). I know of 2 people who not only use these dogs as studs but sell the resulting pups as 'family dogs'.

I personally believe that a GSD of appropriate temperament should be able to excel as a family pet regardless of whatever else s/he does. That simply isn't always the case. People seeking a GSD as a pet should be certain that the breeder they choose produces dogs that are in fact successful pets. They might also do IPO...or SAR...or detection...or LE. None of those preclude being an excellent family dog but it should not be assumed that a breeder is producing GSDs that are well suited to being pets simply b/c the breeder claims that they are. Much like always claiming to produce good temperaments, breeders almost always claim their dogs make great pets. Discerning buyers who are seeking a pet should be certain such claims are true.

People planning to pursue IPO, SAR, obedience, agility etc are advised to seek breeders whose dogs actively participate & succeed in those endeavors. The same s/b done when seeking a pet. This doesn't mean avoid one line or favor another...Just be certain that the breeder's dogs are pets in the fullest sense of the word.
Wow that's a lot of information! Thanks so much! I'm totally gone use your advice while looking for my gsd pup
03-02-2014 02:25 AM
RubyTuesday Andy, I said it very poorly if it wasn't clear that I consider a solid, stable dog with excellent nerves to be an essential part of being a pet. Such GSDs exist among all of the lines. However, it is -imo- important when seeking a pet to choose a breeder whose dogs have a proven track record as pets. Numerous wl & sl breeders, whose dogs frequently show & compete, produce such GSDs. There are others that -again imo- simply don't. Their dogs aren't really pets in the usual sense of the word & when placed as pets they have a high degree of failure which is usually blamed on the owner.

Some examples...in a thread about the alligator phase a member noted that her wl never really struggled with bite inhibition. He competes in SchH but learned appropriate bite inhibition very quickly, very easily. Bingo!

In another thread discussing helpers, a breeder noted she's had to explain to some helpers that her dogs don't bite children, ie if the dog doesn't detect a threat he doesn't aggress. Another Bingo!

Another thread had a breeder who frequently places dogs with LE showing pictures of his dogs happily playing with his grandchildren. Yes!

Another showed a breeder cuddled up with her wl dogs & cats in one big furry love ball.

Another member stated he'd never known a GSD that was naturally good with children. I've always disliked the breeder he got his dogs from & that statement further cemented my opinion.

I've spoken with a couple of breeders & read of a couple more who take great pride in their unapproachable GSD who can't be touched even with the owner present. (In 2 cases that I know of, the dogs are so unmanageable they can't go in for vet care). I know of 2 people who not only use these dogs as studs but sell the resulting pups as 'family dogs'.

I personally believe that a GSD of appropriate temperament should be able to excel as a family pet regardless of whatever else s/he does. That simply isn't always the case. People seeking a GSD as a pet should be certain that the breeder they choose produces dogs that are in fact successful pets. They might also do IPO...or SAR...or detection...or LE. None of those preclude being an excellent family dog but it should not be assumed that a breeder is producing GSDs that are well suited to being pets simply b/c the breeder claims that they are. Much like always claiming to produce good temperaments, breeders almost always claim their dogs make great pets. Discerning buyers who are seeking a pet should be certain such claims are true.

People planning to pursue IPO, SAR, obedience, agility etc are advised to seek breeders whose dogs actively participate & succeed in those endeavors. The same s/b done when seeking a pet. This doesn't mean avoid one line or favor another...Just be certain that the breeder's dogs are pets in the fullest sense of the word.
02-28-2014 09:56 PM
Germanshepherdlover2507
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Originally Posted by meldy View Post
See I was under the distinct impression (and still am) that WL and SL are different types of dogs suitable for different goal.

This is why I say I'm not qualified! But I think your need/want list should be longer than price and birthplace. That's all
Price and birthplace is definitely not all that I'm looking for in the pup! I'm looking for temperament, trainability and other traits I just meant that I felt more comfortable buying a puppy from someone who keeps their dogs inside But I guess I'll never know. Maybe I'll come across an amazing breeder who does keep his dogs outside sometimes
02-28-2014 09:41 PM
David Winners
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Originally Posted by meldy View Post
See I was under the distinct impression (and still am) that WL and SL are different types of dogs suitable for different goal.

This is why I say I'm not qualified! But I think your need/want list should be longer than price and birthplace. That's all
There are many SL dogs that compete in many sports. Individual dogs are suitable for different things. If you are trying to get to the top of a sport, you should look to breeders that produce top sport dogs. If you want to participate at club level, you have many more options. You will spend far more time living with the dog than on the field. Having a dog you can live with is important.

This is why people recommend meeting dogs. You may think you want a certain type of dog on paper, but find that it is too much dog for you in reality.

David Winners
02-28-2014 09:33 PM
meldy See I was under the distinct impression (and still am) that WL and SL are different types of dogs suitable for different goal.

This is why I say I'm not qualified! But I think your need/want list should be longer than price and birthplace. That's all
02-28-2014 08:58 PM
David Winners
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Originally Posted by Germanshepherdlover2507 View Post
So then what do you recommend? SL or WL?
And also does line of the gsd effect how it behaves around people and much exercise it needs?
What Jane said.

The perfect dog for me would probably drive you insane. You need to get out and meet dogs in training and just chilling. Find out what you can about those dogs, which is usually pretty easy. Dog people love to talk dogs. You will see things you like and things you don't. This will arm you with the knowledge to make the best decision possible.

Then, go meet the sire and dam of the litter you are considering. Are they dogs you would like to own? Do their personalities attract you? If it is a repeat breeding, try and meet some of the older siblings to see what they are like.

This is a big commitment. If you are going to get a puppy, you can't really see the personality that will come out in the dog as it matures. Finding the right breeder and litter will take you a long ways towards getting the dog that fits you.
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