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04-06-2014 05:16 PM
glowingtoadfly I also have my dogs' pedigrees in my signature. Plenty of titles and Schutzhund 3's in there, if the OP wants to check it out.
04-06-2014 11:17 AM
glowingtoadfly http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...d-females.html
There is some interesting information in this thread and a post from David Winners about trusting your breeder that I feel applies to this thread.
03-29-2014 10:12 PM
glowingtoadfly
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All the best to you and your dog-enjoy your time-
Thanks! Both of my dogs did very impressive work at IPO today, that may help the OP :-)
03-29-2014 07:33 PM
northwoodsGSD Maybe everyone should start a different thread bashing the breeders they dislike or singing their own praises & let this thread get back to what the OP posted.

To the OP,
If you can go & personally visit the breeders/kennels you like than I highly suggest you do. Meet the breeder & their dogs in person, it'll give you a more realistic idea of which place is a better fit for your wants, needs, & expectations.
One thing you'll find is any breeder that has been breeding long enough(doesn't matter what the animal is) will have folks saying both positive & negative things about them. It's up to you to read between the lines, do your homework & pick what fits you best, not joe blow from down the street.
03-25-2014 01:21 PM
holland
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We actually just started going with martemchik's help:-)
All the best to you and your dog-enjoy your time-
03-24-2014 10:06 PM
glowingtoadfly
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Whenever I see this opinion of IPO as a breed test, it's almost always from someone who has never done IPO themselves.

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We actually just started going with martemchik's help:-)
03-24-2014 10:02 PM
GatorDog
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I happen to believe that IPO isn't the be all and end all of a dog's character, and that titles aren't everything. Sometimes, there is just something about a dog. That is how we ended up with both of our dogs, and that's ok.
Whenever I see this opinion of IPO as a breed test, it's almost always from someone who has never done IPO themselves.

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03-24-2014 09:24 PM
DonnaKay Mine is also a Buzz Gildaf pup from another breeder. She's very high drive, good temperament and stable nerves. I wasn't considering IPO/Sch but I might look into it. I think whichever direction I decide to take her training, she will do very well.
03-24-2014 08:57 PM
martemchik
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I happen to believe that IPO isn't the be all and end all of a dog's character, and that titles aren't everything. Sometimes, there is just something about a dog. That is how we ended up with both of our dogs, and that's ok.
I think you're kind of equating a dog's breedworthiness to a dog's ability to be a pet/live.

No one is saying that a dog shouldn't be alive or can't make an amazing pet if it can't achieve a certain title. It's just that it probably doesn't need to pass on its genes if all it can do is reach an HIC or a CGC. Those titles don't prove much about the dog, and depending on the breed, other things should be looked at.

In the case of a German Shepherd Dog, the dog should be challenged under pressure, it should be tested under more stress than what the CGC provides.
03-24-2014 04:16 PM
Stefan Schaub
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I also think one of the whole reasons the OP was looking for a dog is being missed here- The OP SPECIFICALLY wanted a dog to do IPO. Even if different people have different standards that they would hold a breeder to, the fact still stands that in order to stack the odds as much as you can in your favor for a sport dog, you go to a breeder who specifically titles, breeds, and knows that sport inside and out. Some breeders focus on IPO, some focus on SAR, some focus on service dogs, the list goes on. You can split hairs all day on who is doing it "correctly", but at the end of the day you need to find a breeder who is going to be in line not only with your standard of ethics in health matters, but who is breeding the type of dogs that you want. In this case, if I were looking for a dog that I was hoping to participate in IPO with, I would go to a breeder who breeds EXCLUSIVELY dogs with at least a level 1 title and trains his or her own dogs. But you know what else? This is my personal opinion! Everyone's picture of an "ideal" breeder is going to differ greatly.
I thought i stay out of this but i think we all should get straight in our mind!!a working gsd should be able to do every kind of job,a working gsd should be able to find his/her place in the new family. for sure from time to time breeders produce a more than normal working gsd, but again also this dog find for sure the right place. here in the US are no requirements how you breed,when you breed and what you breed.USCA/WDA/SV program does not work out,because people decide by them self who they breed. people take a CGC title as something special,other people take a herding title as something special and some others take a ipo or ring title as something special. It is like with parents, they love their own kids!!and think they are pretty and smart, if they bring bad grades it is the teachers fault, same with dogs!!! A breeder produce puppies and try to breed in his/her best interest to get the dog they like.

The point is that most of the breeders are not able to train a dog in what ever, so how can you expect that they know how good the own breeding stock is!!how can they know what is missing in the dogs and how can they know what for issues different combination have.

I do not know Gildaf kennels and i do not know so many other breeders in the US, but we have today youtube and other video platforms and can see what everyone is producing. For me it is not important to see one dog on a big championship for me is important to see dogs out of the same kennel in many different areas.
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