|02-27-2014 06:59 AM|
Thank you again! That makes sense! Then I'll have to look into those and ask the breeder how she's going to register them, either NbvK or KNPV.
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|02-27-2014 12:12 AM|
|TheJakel||I had posted this before but it depends on what color you get. If that brindle guy/girl is yours than it's a dutch, the fawns will be mal's. Neither can be registered through FCI or AKC except as how it is mentioned above. You can register as NbvK or KNPV.|
|02-27-2014 12:06 AM|
|Kahrg4||oh my goodness. what a cutie!|
|02-26-2014 11:25 PM|
Thank you! I've learned a lot from al of your opinions and knowledge! Papers are not really an issue for me I was really more just curious. Thanks again! Attachment 185474
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|02-26-2014 08:44 PM|
|02-26-2014 08:41 PM|
In my opinion, AKC needs to re-examine how they are dealing with the Belgians. I'm more familiar with the four Belgian varieties. In Canada and Europe, if a malinois litter contains tervuren, which is fairly common, the pups are registered based on coat type. You can have groenendael (black long coat variety) and tervuren in the same litter as well. Registered as they fall.
But under AKC regs, all four Belgian varieties are separate breeds. It is frustrating.
As for dutchies- I really don't know enough to comment intelligently except to reiterate that dutchies are not registerable under AKC and so the AKC will not recognize even fawn offspring as purebred. A dutchXmal litter is considered a mixed breeding. Just like a tervurenXmalinois is considered a mixed breeding- at least by the AKC.
|02-26-2014 07:09 PM|
|Baillif||Most dutchies at this point have strong malinois influence in them anyway.|
|02-26-2014 06:50 PM|
Dutchies aren't registered with AKC
The Dutch Shepherd is being recorded in the AKC Foundation Stock Service® - The AKC provides this service to allow purebred breeds to continue to develop while providing them with the security of a reliable and reputable avenue to maintain their records. FSS® breeds are not eligible for AKC registration. Several of the FSS breeds are approved to compete in AKC Companion Events and AKC Performance Events.
|02-26-2014 06:43 PM|
Dutch Shepherd and Malinois are separate breeds. To register a dog with the AKC, it needs to be one or the other. Where the confusion happens is in KNPV, where they just don't care. They breed solely for performance, so you end up with a lot of xMalinois, xDutch, xGSD dogs. They have a litter and label the dog by appearances. If it's brindle, it's a xDutch, if it's fawn, it's xMalinois.
To further confuse the issue, fawn is a recessive color in the DS, and is a fault. These dogs can not be shown, but if bred back to a brindle dog, will produce all brindle pups that carry the recessive fawn gene.
So, if you are going to register the dog with AKC or FCI, you need to be sure the parents are registered. If you are not worried about registration (competing in events that require registration) then it isn't so important.
Working dog breeders typically label brindle dogs DS and fawn dogs Mal out of the same litter. Technically they are all DSxMal mixes.
ETA: I'm not sure about FCI registration, so I may be incorrect there.
|02-26-2014 06:29 PM|
|DutchKarin||What papers are you getting? FCI or AKC or both?|
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