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03-15-2014 07:17 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by Wetdog View Post
Actually, I think it is a symptom of greed that people do not appreciate the value of that for which they do not have to pay anything.

If your only point of reference is money----then that which costs something other than money has no value.

The problem is not an overpopulation of dogs, the problem is the number of people who have not and will not learn the lesson of what is really valuable.
This seems to be a very hard lesson for some people to learn---and some people NEVER learn it.
I think too many people see dogs as easy to obtain and easy to disregard. They do not value them, whether you are talking about money, time, emotional energy. And these people hurt all of us when they act irresponsibly with regards to their animals.

If you can get a puppy for free from your buddy, or for a free by the side of the road, or for a couple of bucks at the shelter, I think that a lot of people will see dogs as disposable. If those same people had to pay a significant amount for their dog, then maybe they would value it more.

Maybe.

A few years back I had a neighbor who had a husky mix bitch, a dog that was something between a Rhodesian Ridgeback and a pit bull, and a Coon hound.

They let the husky mix get knocked up three times in two years, and when I complained about her taking up residence in my shed, they chained her to her dog house. The Ridgeback/pit mix they let run loose attacking my dogs and their own. They let the husky's pups get smooshed in the roadway. But the Coonhound was worth money they told me. They kept him chained up. And then they chained the pit mix -- not because it was going after my dogs and me, but because it was going after their coonhound. They told me that.

And people wonder why I really don't feel bad that the lady went belly up and had to move.

Money isn't everything.
03-15-2014 06:29 PM
Wetdog
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
As crappy as people can be sometimes, usually a dog is a repeated offender before the cops are called.

This is probably the best indication that there is an over-population problem with dogs. If dogs were actually the luxury that they are, people would be a lot more careful with them, and wouldn't let them get into the position where they are shot by police. People who do not care, and have nothing to lose, wouldn't be able to afford them.

Actually, I think it is a symptom of greed that people do not appreciate the value of that for which they do not have to pay anything.

If your only point of reference is money----then that which costs something other than money has no value.

The problem is not an overpopulation of dogs, the problem is the number of people who have not and will not learn the lesson of what is really valuable.
This seems to be a very hard lesson for some people to learn---and some people NEVER learn it.
03-15-2014 02:15 PM
selzer As crappy as people can be sometimes, usually a dog is a repeated offender before the cops are called.

This is probably the best indication that there is an over-population problem with dogs. If dogs were actually the luxury that they are, people would be a lot more careful with them, and wouldn't let them get into the position where they are shot by police. People who do not care, and have nothing to lose, wouldn't be able to afford them.
03-15-2014 09:11 AM
Longfisher
Sad News

There's the absolutely beautiful-in-every-way 10 year-old little girl who lives in the same cul-de-sac where the German shepherd who is the topic of this thread lives. They live across the street from one another.

She came over yesterday to see Zeus as she's enamored with him (less so now as he growled at her a bit at the door, normal for Zeus for anyone). And, after Zeus settled down to his gentlemanly ways she related a story about that GSD...

...he and the other dog with the Clorox bottle around his neck get out all the time, dozens of times she's said. She says the dog menaces others when he's out too, including her.

She says she's afraid to go out of her house with that dog around and mostly doesn't do so unless either her Dad (who works long hours) is around or if she sees me and Zeus on our walks. Really sad.

Then she told me that her Dad went outside to run the dog off their property recently as the dog was menacing the kids and the dog chased and bit him. The father denies the bite. But the little girl says there are puncture wounds that her Dad is hiding.

So, it looks like we have a dangerous marauding dog in the neighborhood and I feel like a fool for having defended it.

I walk my yearling Zeus in the area of the neighborhood and even down into their cul-de-sac on a regular basis. That dog has always been very agitated by Zeus' presence in the cul-de-sac.

I've never seen him out before. But if he gets out as often as the little girl says he does it's almost inevitable that Zeus and I will encounter him one day when he's loose. It's probably just as likely that such an encounter would go sour and that this dog would be maced at a minimum.

I'm certainly not the only armed citizen in this neighborhood. Texas is full of them. That dog's marauding won't be taken lightly, I assure you.

I think I'll look over the County regulations on dangerous dogs and see if there's a way to petition the County to come out and do interviews with neighbors before the dog seriously harms someone, especially this lovely little girl.

LF
03-14-2014 03:32 PM
Daisy&Lucky's Mom OP Thanks for helping save the dogs. I lived in a small village and was alwys thankful when a certain police officer was theone who came when I needed help w/ stray dogs . He was great w/ animals in general and Daisy loved him. He was the go to guy. He retired.I moved but I always try to keep my dogs either on leash ,in the yard or inside the house. If someone is afraid of dogs they all ready approaching any situation involving a dog w/ anxiety.
03-14-2014 02:22 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by Arc View Post
My opinion is harsh and extremely pessimistic toward police and general people, so if your sensitive like most people here are, skip it and don't read.

First off, Thank you for taking the initiative to De-escalate the situation, the world needs FAR more people of this quality.

The "plow boy" likely slipped away because no one wants to have anything to do with a legal mess these days, or up to no good, few have any spine anymore. If someone is being attacked, look the other way, if you stumble over a body, keep walking. There are far fewer potential problems if you shut up and press on.

On the subject of the police being trigger happy, whats new?

I've had my property stolen twice, $250 value and out of all the people at my building, no one saw a thing, the guard even had the door shut! The police pretended to take my report seriously but it was nothing more than the laughing joke of the station and they probably went right back to ticket farming.

Few years back, some trespassing, plain cloths, police left me with a scar under my left eye. The nature of the job is the same as mine(infantry), it naturally attracts people with blood lust, loose screws, and anyone who is simply out to shoot something. Very few join for a good cause and usually all the good people leave. The bottom line is the police are usually the enemy now, even though my county has good people on the force, I don't trust any of them simply from experience.

The average human life is worth about as much as reused toilet paper to me. Why you ask? Two years ago, my peers repeatedly threatened to soak my pet cats in fuel and burn them alive. I killed one cat myself with a breaching hammer and the other I hope stayed away from the area. I still deal with the guilt of betraying something that trusted me and how she died. I went over to that punk kid with the same tool and the only reason why I didn't strike and completely cripple him was that I did not want the brig time. Long story short it was a bad day for everyone and to this day I'm still taunted and harassed with comments from those people.
I have plenty more stories, like one of my old CO's drop kicking a puppy over the base walls, literally he kicked it over the wall. The same puppy was sneaked over to our base so it wouldn't be shot and of course was abused by an old squad leader. I had no knowledge at the time so I assumed he knew how to train a dog. Hes the type that will abuse but if you abuse him, he can't handle it.

So by seeing more and more people demand blood and death against an animal because it has even the mere potential to hurt someone, spreads disease, or falls under "vermin" as if that is any justification, only reenforces its lack of value.

There are exceptions though and we stick together in our little groups and support each other when we can. Usually outcasts because we still have some degree of moral fortitude and chivalry. As for the kids, the last time I met a respectful kid was about four years ago. Kids also threw my kitten in the river, all I have to say about them is: dog food.
I hope people here tick you off pretty quickly so you leave and don't come back.
03-14-2014 01:21 AM
Arc My opinion is harsh and extremely pessimistic toward police and general people, so if your sensitive like most people here are, skip it and don't read.

First off, Thank you for taking the initiative to De-escalate the situation, the world needs FAR more people of this quality.

The "plow boy" likely slipped away because no one wants to have anything to do with a legal mess these days, or up to no good, few have any spine anymore. If someone is being attacked, look the other way, if you stumble over a body, keep walking. There are far fewer potential problems if you shut up and press on.

On the subject of the police being trigger happy, whats new?

I've had my property stolen twice, $250 value and out of all the people at my building, no one saw a thing, the guard even had the door shut! The police pretended to take my report seriously but it was nothing more than the laughing joke of the station and they probably went right back to ticket farming.

Few years back, some trespassing, plain cloths, police left me with a scar under my left eye. The nature of the job is the same as mine(infantry), it naturally attracts people with blood lust, loose screws, and anyone who is simply out to shoot something. Very few join for a good cause and usually all the good people leave. The bottom line is the police are usually the enemy now, even though my county has good people on the force, I don't trust any of them simply from experience.

The average human life is worth about as much as reused toilet paper to me. Why you ask? Two years ago, my peers repeatedly threatened to soak my pet cats in fuel and burn them alive. I killed one cat myself with a breaching hammer and the other I hope stayed away from the area. I still deal with the guilt of betraying something that trusted me and how she died. I went over to that punk kid with the same tool and the only reason why I didn't strike and completely cripple him was that I did not want the brig time. Long story short it was a bad day for everyone and to this day I'm still taunted and harassed with comments from those people.
I have plenty more stories, like one of my old CO's drop kicking a puppy over the base walls, literally he kicked it over the wall. The same puppy was sneaked over to our base so it wouldn't be shot and of course was abused by an old squad leader. I had no knowledge at the time so I assumed he knew how to train a dog. Hes the type that will abuse but if you abuse him, he can't handle it.

So by seeing more and more people demand blood and death against an animal because it has even the mere potential to hurt someone, spreads disease, or falls under "vermin" as if that is any justification, only reenforces its lack of value.

There are exceptions though and we stick together in our little groups and support each other when we can. Usually outcasts because we still have some degree of moral fortitude and chivalry. As for the kids, the last time I met a respectful kid was about four years ago. Kids also threw my kitten in the river, all I have to say about them is: dog food.
03-05-2014 12:36 AM
DaniFani
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
Regal? Who's regal? I am not a moderator. If you do not like the use of a rather benign term, I am sorry. I suppose I could have used the term trash or garbage if you like that better.

But my 10th grade English teacher once explained the proper use of language, specifically swearing, and though that was decades ago, I used that term to make a point. I wanted to say something strongly. Because what you are saying, about dogs killing people, is a real problem. When people shoot a friendly dog at a dog park because they are afraid of the dog, and think lethal force is what is necessary, why? Because people are believing that dogs can kill people. People are believing that they can go out on a walk and get eaten by dogs. Do you realize this sort of fear-mongering damages people with breeds like ours?

No, you are offended by an insignificant baby term, my seven year old nieces can use without repercussions.

Whatever.

Have a nice day.

Go and scare some people about big dogs.

Bring up scuba diving with sharks, is like taking a walk and being killed by dogs.

I am getting too old and too cranky to hang out here I think.
Woah, so many of the problems you're listing have nothing to do with fear mongering "death by dog" (I think the bigger problem with people fearing our dogs are owners getting them, that think the dog barking, snarling, and snapping at any and every stranger around their home or themselves, is a "good" gsd.....and being proud of said GSD for acting like that). And everything to do with a lack of common sense...common sense that a dog with potential aggression shouldn't be at a dog park....common sense to leash your flipping dog....common sense to keep your dog properly confined...common sense when encountering a loose dog and deducing whether it's nice or aggressive (again...I don't care WHERE the aggression is coming from...the outcome is usually the same).

Anyway, not sure what your points are in this thread? You would have understood if the dogs had been shot by police BUT you think it's ridiculous that people carry a weapon to defend themselves against aggressive loose dogs?? I don't understand your thoughts.
03-05-2014 12:28 AM
DaniFani Not sure why it matters if the potential for fatality is high or low. I'm with Longfisher on this one. He isn't trying to compare dogs to sharks (to take it that way is to misdirect and de-validate the entire point of his post). He's simply stating that STATISTICS can be misleading, and he gave examples. Also, when they are only looking at fatalities, of course they are going to be smaller numbers than attacks (even if the attack leaves a permanent disfigurement).

My hubby has several scars on his face and the iris of one of his eyes is lacking pigment in one area from a violent attack from two GSDs when he was 4 years old. He was standing on the fence of their property, they both stalked and attacked him, a four year old child...while his dad was talking to their owner just down the driveway.

When it comes to a loose dog attack, I really don't care if the dog is shot dead or sprayed with pepper spray and lives to see another day lose, I don't care if death by dog attack is rare, I don't want stitches either....when it comes to my kid walking to school and encountering lose, aggressive dogs, I'd rather have the dog shot dead than even the POTENTIAL that my kid could be hurt. Sure most of the time I'd say, pepper spray would be great....however, I think this situation and the reasoning behind thoughts of deadly force, is pretty black and white.

It also makes me think of people who ask why cops don't "aim for a leg or arm so the person has a better chance of living??" It's so silly, but I understand people who don't understand firearms, targets, and how fast someone can get to you even from 20 feet away...why they ask those kinds of questions.

Why should someone have to take the chance because it's "only a dog bite and probably will be non-fatal?" That person should have to take a bite because it's so sad for the dog to die?

Bottom line, owners need to take more responsibility for their dogs. Yeah, accidents happen, and we all hope common sense will be used, and a non-aggressive dog will be shooed away or grabbed by a good samaritan and taken to the pound. However, the expectation that someone should stop and use a non-lethal force, because it will "probably" work, is just silly to me, especially if the dog is being aggressive.

I tend to be of the thought that pepper spray will be more than enough. LF, I think it's great what you did. I always have an extra slip lead somewhere on me, and have grabbed a few wandering dogs and taken them to the pound if I didn't know their owner.

However, I think it's great what you did, for the kids...honestly I couldn't care less about the dogs or the plow boy lol. The fact that the cross walk person had to shoo them away and multiple people thought they were being aggressive (including yourself), I don't care what happens to them, I don't care if the aggression was because of fear, rabies, temperament, whatever....when it comes to kids and aggressive dogs, whatever means necessary I say. I wouldn't have faulted cops at all for shooting them....glad the owner was ticketed. I get what you're saying about your concern of "shoot first," but in this situation? Aggressive dogs around little kids trying to get to school? You really are surprised they were in the "eliminate the threat" mind set?

And Bleach bottle? Seriously? Haven't heard of that idea before lol.
03-04-2014 10:30 PM
misslesleedavis1 Okay Lonefisher i have got to be completely honest here, the word crap is totally not uncivil i mean just check out this cereal.







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