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02-28-2014 02:39 AM
nits231 After reading everyone's helpful suggestions, I have realized that firstly I needed to change my goal. I think it is a bit far-fetched to expect Leo to be "friends" with other dogs. He may gravitate towards that of his own accord but first I need to teach him to ignore other dogs. And that should be my goal.

Regarding the neighbors pups: the owner has agreed to walk the pups alongside Leo (for example, on the two opposite sides of the road) until Leo behaves better, and then possibly walk the pups a bit closer each time, but still maintaining enough distance so that the pups don't reach Leo and he can't reach them. The pups are only 3 months old so they will behave as all puppies do and even attempt to get close to him.

Treats: treats proved completely ineffective because in the park all he wants to do is run and if he see's another dog then he doesn't even look at me. The 'continuing to walk on' strategy seemed more effective as he eventually stops looking back and looks ahead and forgets.

Another strategy: I take Leo a bit earlier to the park so that I can really make him run and tire him out when there is no other person/dog around and THEN attempt at meeting up with the pups and practicing the walking and ignoring.

Hopefully, with all the great advice and tips, I should be able to bring Leo under control in this situation.

On a side note: at what approximate age to GSD's mature? Leo is still very puppy like in his demeanor and there are many times where I truly cherish his puppyness, but at other times I just keep wondering when will be grow up a bit.

Thank you all!
02-27-2014 08:14 AM
ken k
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Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
Why?? It is easier to teach him to ignore other dogs then to socialize with them. Dogs do need to be safe around people, if you "crammed" people into his face and he handled it fine , you have a solid dog.

I had Dominate male dogs and they were fine with people and were taught to ignore other dogs. My dogs are for me and my family not other peoples chew toy.

I and my friends with well behaved dogs don't do dogie visits, we put a lot of work into our dogs and have no need to put them at risk with a bad experience!

Most likely the folks you know with "aggressive dogs" did just what your proposing?

My tip would be teach your dog to ignore other dogs. No sit, no correction just keep moving! That's how I taught them to accept people and ignore dogs. He doesn't need dogie friends that's why he has/had me and "his" dogs.
this, spot on
02-27-2014 06:33 AM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Harry and Lola View Post
Nice looking boy you have there, he's looks like a good weight to.

I find once GSDs hit that 1 year old mark, some are not interested in other dogs and prefer the company of their human pack. It is not necessary to set him up with meetings and play dates. It is essential however, that you train him to ignore other dogs so that you can walk by another dog without your dog flipping out.

In my humble opinion, socialising GSDs with other dogs from puppy up to about 1 is great, however they don't have to keep on with this, it is far better for them to learn not to react and I would spend my time training him to trust me and not react to other dogs.

With the 3 month old pups, I wouldn't introduce them if you feel your GSD may react. I would however, maybe when the puppies are a little older, go for short walks together for about 10 to 20 minutes and keep a comfortable distance between them all. When dogs are moving forward they bond in a way, don't stand still and allow them free rein at meeting, just keep walking and try and do this everyday if possible, they will eventually then build a respectful bond towards each other and you will be helping the other puppies (and your dog) in realising that they don't have to meet every dog.
Ok" I'm" going to say thank you!

I should have know this! But I've been doing stay away, stay away, ignore and move on forever.

Just seemed like this time "maybe" in this circumstance something different was needed!
You have to be flexible!
02-27-2014 06:23 AM
Harry and Lola Nice looking boy you have there, he's looks like a good weight to.

I find once GSDs hit that 1 year old mark, some are not interested in other dogs and prefer the company of their human pack. It is not necessary to set him up with meetings and play dates. It is essential however, that you train him to ignore other dogs so that you can walk by another dog without your dog flipping out.

In my humble opinion, socialising GSDs with other dogs from puppy up to about 1 is great, however they don't have to keep on with this, it is far better for them to learn not to react and I would spend my time training him to trust me and not react to other dogs.

With the 3 month old pups, I wouldn't introduce them if you feel your GSD may react. I would however, maybe when the puppies are a little older, go for short walks together for about 10 to 20 minutes and keep a comfortable distance between them all. When dogs are moving forward they bond in a way, don't stand still and allow them free rein at meeting, just keep walking and try and do this everyday if possible, they will eventually then build a respectful bond towards each other and you will be helping the other puppies (and your dog) in realising that they don't have to meet every dog.
02-27-2014 05:02 AM
Chip18 It will take time. If you turned and kept moving that's good, maybe try giving a treat when you make the turn. Try and treat before he reacts.

Gotta say the "neighbor" with the two St B's makes me nervous? Is he receptive to new ideas can you talk to him?

Normally, I say stay clear of other dogs. But in this case, you kinda have a vested interest in his dogs. Two badly trained ST's can be real bad news!

It all depends on how responsible he is and what kind of a trainer. Just a head's up I guess.

Leerburg | Raising Two Pups at a Time: Why It's a Bad Idea
02-27-2014 01:45 AM
nits231 I agree with you, I have no intentions of taking unnecessary risks when it comes to my dog or other dogs/people. When I am walking him by myself then I carry a stick. I saw the St. Bernard pups walking on the road again and again Leo went a bit crazy. I tried to just turn around and walk the other way so they weren't in sight, and that worked a little. Until they would bark and then Leo of course had to respond!

Work in progress! *Fingers crossed*

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Good plan, I would think. Know dogs under controlled conditions are different. But the "I thought he was friendly folks??" Won't do!

Are pepper spray and/or a walking stick viable options for you?
02-25-2014 09:03 PM
Chip18 Good plan, I would think. Know dogs under controlled conditions are different. But the "I thought he was friendly folks??" Won't do!

Are pepper spray and/or a walking stick viable options for you?
02-25-2014 06:04 AM
nits231 Thanks for this great video! Around where I live we have a lot of street/stray dogs on the road itself. So the encounter with other dogs is going to happen whether I like it or not. I try my best to avoid routes that involve the strays but sometimes they sit close to the entrance of the park where I take Leo. My thought regarding working with other 'known' dogs was just a measure of safety. Since I know those dogs are leashed and will not attack him even if he misbehaves. However, I will begin working on training him to ignore other animals. That is my best chance.

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Gonna piggy back: Explains about treats but.."I" wouldn't do any work with other dogs at this point...artificial meetings, you already know he has issues, why set him up to fail?
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02-25-2014 06:00 AM
nits231 This video is actually great! I had started him on leash training but because I had to travel for nearly 4 months for work, it all went down the drain. I have started training him again now that I am back. This video helps a lot because it mentions methods to keep Leo calm before I even step out of the house. So thank you so much for this! I can clearly see the wrong signals I have been giving him (unconsciously of course).

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Bolt?? Now that's a whole nuther issue! More folks will be around soon. I just wanted to help you set your goals a bit lower. People safe is always job one. You did that..not the way I would have done it but it worked for you and your dog!

Dog friendly is a big push, dog tolerant is a whole lot easier with that much clear your on your way!

But If the dog will bolt from you that's not acceptable! Your dog should stay be your side regardless of wither he has a leash on or not! My dogs are leashed because it makes people feel comfortable when they see them on the street not because I need it to control them,

Don't know how he does on leash but this could be useful?

Dog Pulling Leash... How To Stop - YouTube
02-25-2014 04:36 AM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Serbrider View Post
Do it in a neutral location. Don't force anything. He may never be friends with other dogs, but at the very least, he should be expected to remain calm, and ignore them.


What you need to do is don't immediately go to the most distracting place. Have your neighbor/friend have their dogs at the opposite end of the park (try and be the only ones with dogs there if possible). And then walk your dog towards them. The moment he stops focusing on you and tenses up when walking towards the other dogs, quickly turn around and walk the other way until you have his attention back on you and calm (have him do some tricks, make him really think about YOU, not other dogs). Then go back, and do the same thing, trying to move closer each time.

It might take quite a while... but it really does work, because you aren't just throwing him next to the other dogs and trying to scream at him to get his attention. You expect attention the whole time, and slowly add in the distractions, always retreating with the distractions until you solidly have his attention.

What you want is a dog that will not react at all at the sight of other dogs. He may never love other dogs, or play with other dogs... but if he will ignore other dogs, you can take him on walks and around other people and their dogs without the stress of him barking and carrying on.
Gonna piggy back: Explains about treats but.."I" wouldn't do any work with other dogs at this point...artificial meetings, you already know he has issues, why set him up to fail?
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