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02-24-2014 12:18 AM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Strypher View Post
Yea Someone told me that . That is why I mention I didn't literally mean punch then again I had to mention it


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Cool, sorry I must have missed your correction, my bad!
02-24-2014 12:13 AM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by boomer11 View Post
VERY different. a shock collar the dog thinks the correction is coming from the environment. the dog thinks its something that it did to cause the shock.

you putting your hands on a dog means the dog knows the correction is coming from no where but you.
Nope "any tool can be abused" case in point:

4yr GSD snapping at my partner. Need immediate help!
I need some advice:

Recently, my 4yr old GSD (Sampson) and my partner (we'll call him Ax) have been at odds with each other. In general, things are good. However, last night Sampson snapped at him (not the first time unfortunately, but it *has* to be the last). Ax put his arm around Sampson (over body), and Sampson did not like it at all... Ax really took it hard; he's terrified, and now has problems approaching Sampson over it.

I need advice.

I think what might have happened is Ax has been using and threatening Sampson with a shock-collar. I'm not a fan of shock-collars, but outside of a first few shocks, I was under the impression it's been purely a intimidation method. However, I fear this may have created wedge between them, particularly on Sampson's part.

Unfortunately, because I don't use the collar (I'm the one always taking _off_ the collar), Ax feels I'm not concerned for his safety... That can't be any farther from the truth! :/

Ax is new to dogs. We just moved in together about a month ago. He's never had pets before, let along a 100lb GSD. This is all new territory for him. I need help helping him.

How can I get things back in order between them? What can I do to show Ax I understand his concerns, but there isn't anything I can do punish a dog outside mere minutes of the incident (or am I wrong?? Please! Correct me if I'm wrong here!). I don't think Ax understands the ADHD of dogs.

Thanks. Please, help!

PS: Outside of these incidents, Sampson is 100% chipper, hyper, all lovey-dovey around Ax. Sampson DOES very visible cower at the sight of the shock-collar and remote; Ax has used it as intimidation when Sampson gets a little too pushy in our space.
02-23-2014 06:44 PM
Strypher
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Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
It's the internet, say what you mean not what you meant! Otherwise you get people doing stuff like this!



2punch verb

: to hit (someone or something) hard with your fist



2poke verb

: to push your finger or something thin or pointed into or at someone or something




Yea Someone told me that . That is why I mention I didn't literally mean punch then again I had to mention it


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02-23-2014 06:41 AM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Strypher View Post
Like I said before I didn't literally mean punch


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It's the internet, say what you mean not what you meant! Otherwise you get people doing stuff like this!

2punch verb
: to hit (someone or something) hard with your fist

2poke verb
: to push your finger or something thin or pointed into or at someone or something

02-23-2014 06:23 AM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by misslesleedavis1 View Post
Punch a dog, I have never seen him punch a dog flat out with a closed fist

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Yeah me either, he will tap them with his foot in there rear or poke them with his fingers.

I do believe that some are interpreting the finger jab as a punch??? " A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing as they say!"
02-23-2014 04:57 AM
sigh Smh
02-23-2014 03:35 AM
DaniFani
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Originally Posted by sehrgutcsg View Post
This is a difficult behavior issue. Most member's here seem to be on the side of love conquer's all problems, but this is not consistent with the entire planet of dog owners. Yes, we love our dogs. This morning my Jack drew blood on the pup, she nosed him to go outside and he nailed her on the bridge of her nose and two minutes later I had a warm wash cloth on the puppy (8 weeks). Nothing can prepare you for a 5:45 AM bloody situation. I acted as calm as possible. Yes, I called the other dog to come and he did, so I took it as a mis-communication. They have played "gentle" for 12 days, then this.. Yes, she's fine. No hair loss, nothing except a scratch - I can't even find it with a 10 power loop.

There is a lot of information on this site and it's great to see that we can discuss these situations and find common ground. Cesar, is from a Country that does not let dogs in the house. He bought a GSD pup in Santa Clarita, CA (Aqua Dulce) for between $2700.00 - $5000.00 because I looked at her website and his name was on the 'client list', her dogs are choice bloodlines. $200K for a trained dog. Whoa !!

My issue is the 3% of people who can afford such a dog, a doctor or a lawyer or both, a family with small children who think the dog is CUTE. Well, their in danger.. They have the cash but not the know-how to get the dog under control without professional help. Yes., member's here know the danger's, it's not a joke. Sell your pup to an inexperienced owner and live with the fact it could be a trouble situation without proper discipline with a VERY strong willed dog..

My point is clear, if you do not direct the animal to proper behavior the dog will rule the house, bite someone or multiple people and then the dog get put down and nobody has one bit of fun.. If I had to ask, I would say be very judgmental of whom has the firmness and correctness to raise your puppies ? I hope my rant is Okay.. I feel guilty I was not able to foresee the issue I dealt with today, even having 3 GSDs for 15 years.. It happens and it ain't no darn fun !!

Give correction and then love !


Sehrgutcsg
This whole post left me scratching my head....huh?
02-23-2014 01:13 AM
Strypher
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Originally Posted by doggiedad View Post
great dogs, i don't know. what's their mental state?
you don't have to yank and crank, hit dogs, kick dogs,
pop collars, step on feet, etc for them to learn.
training is all about repetition. i don't think flooding
is necessary.

Yes great


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02-23-2014 01:04 AM
doggiedad great dogs, i don't know. what's their mental state?
you don't have to yank and crank, hit dogs, kick dogs,
pop collars, step on feet, etc for them to learn.
training is all about repetition. i don't think flooding
is necessary.
02-23-2014 01:03 AM
sehrgutcsg
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
Ok, so you have had an 8 week old puppy for two weeks, playing with your JRT, I take it an adult dog. And the adult dog nailed the puppy, bloody bite this morning? Are you saying that you have treated your JRT with love instead of correcting him and that is why he bit your puppy?

I'm confused actually.

You called him and he came, so it was a miscommunication?

When an adult dog draws blood on an eight week old puppy, there is something wrong with the adult dog. Sorry. I would not trust this dog with this pup, not until the pup is much older and beyond the main socialization stages.

I am not sure what this has to do with physical corrections or Cesar, or how expensive the dog was that Cesar bought, or who people are letting their puppies go to. Are you saying that someone shouldn't have sold you a puppy? You've had three other GSDs, most breeders like to see people with experience in the breed.

Selzer,

A lot of people come on here and make excuses. Not me. I screwed up. I will never be respected here - if I sugar coat this situation. I have videos of the dogs, Nelson was on his back playing and jumping over the pup (Bella).. I can only email them, not able to post..

The dogs will be separated for quite some time, it was unexpected, I carry the guilt, period and the responsibility...

I appreciate your concerns..

csg
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