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02-21-2014 09:43 PM
mycobraracr I didn't watch it all the way through but they do talk about the counter.

Puppy Bite Work Sit Means Sit Dog Training - YouTube
02-21-2014 09:31 PM
onyx'girl I don't watch alot of youtubes, so can't link one to you as example.
Countering is regripping to a deeper bite, you don't reward a shallow bite ever. Once the pup counters, you let the pup win~and hopefully the pup will push that tug right back into you for more game. It isn't a big deal for them to catch on.
02-21-2014 09:26 PM
Jmoore728
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The foundation with young puppies, teaching them to counter is one of the most important lessons.
Do you happen to have any You Tube links demonstrating this the correct way? I would end up finding videos demonstrating the wrong way.
02-21-2014 08:59 PM
mycobraracr
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Myco, I haven't worked with a lot of imports so can't answer that. Most of my experience is with helpers that did that for the latter reason I mentioned. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of the dogs being imported are worked to make them look good for an easy sale.

Vala never had to learn to counter. She wanted to be stuffed and would regrip naturally. The bite suit tends to make her angry. Our suit is very heavy (police suit) so she isn't always able to stuff it to the gills like she wants.

I usually work my pups with toys and tugs so they already have experience countering if they get a shallow bite. That way there isn't a problem when they start bitework.

The good dogs always want to get more. I do the same thing with puppies. I work all this stuff long before they see a helper.
02-21-2014 07:14 PM
lhczth Myco, I haven't worked with a lot of imports so can't answer that. Most of my experience is with helpers that did that for the latter reason I mentioned. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of the dogs being imported are worked to make them look good for an easy sale.

Vala never had to learn to counter. She wanted to be stuffed and would regrip naturally. The bite suit tends to make her angry. Our suit is very heavy (police suit) so she isn't always able to stuff it to the gills like she wants.

I usually work my pups with toys and tugs so they already have experience countering if they get a shallow bite. That way there isn't a problem when they start bitework.
02-21-2014 03:51 PM
Baillif It is as hilarious as you can imagine. You should check out alex vyatkins decoying videos on youtube where hes super drunk when he decoys dogs. I saw him head plant into a palisade in one of them. Russian decoys best decoys.
02-21-2014 03:43 PM
Merciel
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Ive seen decoys wearing masks with bite wedges in them to teach dogs to go for the face on face attacks at distance.
wooooowww

I don't know if I'm imagining that right, but regardless, that mental picture is hilarious and terrifying.
02-21-2014 03:26 PM
crackem I've never trained with anybody that didnt teach a dog to go full on its own.
02-21-2014 03:18 PM
mycobraracr
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Of course in a trial where the helper isn't stuffing the sleeve the dogs are slow into the bite and often get shallow bites which they don't correct.

This is the exact reason I teach it.

Lisa, have you noticed the "stuffing sleeve" thing coming over from Germany? The reason I ask is, the last three or four imports I have worked were trained this way. In the videos of them working the dogs/puppies they are stuff the wedge/sleeve in the dogs mouth. Then the dogs get here and all they do is bite and hold on for life. We have had to get creative to teach these dogs to counter.

Making the dogs lazy reminded me of a dog I worked from another club. This dog has had so many bites fed to it that when I worked it, I jumped up to give it a bite and it literally sat there, opened it's mouth and waited for me to land with the sleeve in it's mouth hahaha. I'm so glad I get to travel and work with various groups so I can see some of this stuff hahaha.
02-21-2014 10:54 AM
onyx'girl The foundation with young puppies, teaching them to counter is one of the most important lessons.
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