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09-25-2014 01:24 PM
Susan_GSD_mom I think I missed this thread originally. Got to add my 2 cents worth...

In 40 years I have read and probably tried every training method that came out, including Koehler. I have had GSDs and/or wolf shepherd crosses in all these years. The most valuable thing I took from all of them is: be selective, use your own common sense. If something seems too 'out there' or cruel, don't do it! Extreme example: The Koehler method for training a dog not to dig holes in the yard!

What I've also learned is that different dogs require different nuances in training. Soft dogs thrive one way, hard dogs thrive another. Some wolfdogs require a firm 'alpha' (assertive) hand, some are softer than dogs. One size does not fit all.

As far as the mistakes I have made with different dogs early on, they have all worked out, none of them were permanently marred. I have never raised a canine that ended up a 'problem' animal. In recent years I have taken in a number of rescues that came to me with issues, some of which we trained through, some of which we managed. I have a lovely GSD female right now who is very DA. If I could afford an e-collar, after reading a great deal about them from information David W. and others referred me to, I believe I could improve her, but right now we are managing her, and she is still a very good dog.

09-25-2014 07:48 AM
Originally Posted by blehmannwa View Post
I have a New Skete --born in 2010. He has a lot of Vom Kirschental lines. He is very solid nerved and a beautiful boy--not soft at all, very aloof to strangers but loves those who we invite in. He's doing very well at Nosework and his health is stellar.
Just wanted to add that as a recent experience.
I also have a New Skete whose parents (James and Xenia) are both Kirschental. He is a complete nervebag and has bitten. He was like this from the moment we brought him home. The Monks told us to destroy him sight unseen. He is now 5 years old. When we picked him up, Julia was teaching the Alpha roll.
02-22-2014 09:34 PM
blehmannwa I have a New Skete --born in 2010. He has a lot of Vom Kirschental lines. He is very solid nerved and a beautiful boy--not soft at all, very aloof to strangers but loves those who we invite in. He's doing very well at Nosework and his health is stellar.
Just wanted to add that as a recent experience.
02-22-2014 08:05 PM
carmspack nope. this is a co-operative unit , not a militaristic outfit. the dynamics are fluid and not rigid . goals may change you , but they don't change basic , intrinsic , animals psychology

what some see as handler hard might be handler difficult
02-22-2014 07:47 PM
Blitzkrieg1 Its all abput your goals. I train for sport now what once worked for me to achieve a well behaved pet is no longer sufficient.
I dont really care to get into the whole alpha argument but I will say this. Any social grouping of animals or people that works towards a common goal be it a wolf pack, herd of horses or a team working on tech development have a member or members that are dominant or leaders. For some its natural for others its a struggle. What works for one person wont work for all.

I have never had to use an alpha roll on my gsd its not necessary. I have used it on another dog I own who truly believes he is my number two and can bully the other dogs and people in the house..he is also 8lbs and fears One day I will find a gsd with his heart and confidence.

Different things work for different dogs and people regardless of what is being pushed as the new fad in the dog training world.
02-22-2014 02:59 PM
carmspack just to add , this was my experience, my opinion . Others might have quite different experience and opinion. If so , good .
02-22-2014 02:23 PM
carmspack exactly Nancy. Large and long bodied . Soft backs . Soft ligaments and muscle tone . And yes nervy dogs . More than one I met had car sickness and sound sensitivity - thunder storms. Startle .
I met more than a few because they were in the neighbourhood , or in my husbands teachers' network . I saw them when they came asking about an evaluation and could I recommend a good trainer for them.
They loved their dogs but I don't know of anyone that expressed an interest in getting another from them.

In the beginning I asked , have you contacted the breeder , see how they can help you. Seems there was a consensus of disinterest , no calls or letters returned , no help extended. I was put off by the "merchandise" attitude - you've bought your dog , good luck . Reputations are made and they have to be kept. I think there was an interest in the 70's and 80's still with communal living -- and somehow they became marketable.

I can't find it for the life of me but I seem to recall an alternate story that Job Evans had about the monastery and the first dog Kyr , mentioned as the mascot and inspiration for the breeding program.

Kyr was supposed to have been a guide-dog failure , the Monks took him in. I think in one book or magazine Job had said that Kyr was with them for a short while - he disappeared . I took that to mean that he ran away ? In another account Kyr is the monastery companion. UNLESS there was a Kyr one and a Kyr two. Or I am wrong on this altogether .
02-22-2014 11:21 AM
NancyJ I met one of the dogs they had bred in the mid 80s. Nervy. Large.
02-22-2014 10:48 AM
carmspack I am quoting those excerpts directly out of the book !

The first edition came out, I added it to my resource library , I read it , read portions of it to "training" friend (no email or computers in those years!) discussed.

My thought was that there was going to be a lot of bad training that needed to be undone, and there was.
02-22-2014 10:08 AM
NancyJ did you have original version?
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