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02-20-2014 06:12 PM
Ares105
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Originally Posted by DJEtzel View Post
I was just saying that you don't have you use the tool. You can use a verbal marker just as easily.

The video I watched shows him saying yes a lot while giving treats. So are you saying no to prong collars BC a gentle leader def doesn't work with him when he has passed his threshold. On walks around our neighborhood he ok with it Except when he try's to get it off. What is the best leash to use if there is one?


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02-20-2014 06:03 PM
carmspack the clicker is just an appliance , no magic . One good trainer said the clicker isn't for the dog , it is for the trainer. It makes for a better trainer because the trainer has to be focused and perfect timing.

I use a verbal mark , a good ! or that's nice , or so fine , or yes . The word doesn't matter . The timing and the positive attention does .

I also work silently , using language minimally so that the verbal mark is set aside and heard , recognized . If like some people you have this steady yak gab nag yak yak that is a stream of unnecessary verbiage for the dog to filter.
If you use clicker and verbal 'good dog' make sure that the verbal comes after the click.

You can't take the dog out into the fray and begin marking behaviour because the dog will be too distracted, head space in another place. You will get flustered, frustrated , too excited yourself.

You need to lay the foundation in an environment where there are no competing interests , no past experience which is associated with excitement . You said the dog already barks in the parking lot of the petsmarty store, before he even gets out of the car , dog present or not. Too much diverted attention already.

Start at home and do something simple to get that attention , even if it is following your hand motion. Reward each time the focus is there . Many , short sessions , positive during and positive at end .
Develop a trust relationship with the dog , and keep it calm , so that the dog can calm.
Sooner or later the light will go on .
02-20-2014 04:15 PM
DJEtzel
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Understood "I" find it confusing myself, not a judgement, it's a "tool" that needs to be understood by the end user.
I was just saying that you don't have you use the tool. You can use a verbal marker just as easily.
02-20-2014 04:12 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by DJEtzel View Post
The op's dog is not aggressive, it's met many dogs before just fine and she's not setting him up to meet more, she was just asking if doing it or not doing it would effect anything.
Point taken.
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It's not leash walking in general that she has a problem with. It's reactivity. And correcting a reactive dog (on a prong no less) is going to make it much worse.
"If" she's still using it..best to know how!

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You don't have to use a clicker to marker train. Marker training is one of the most effective positive reinforcement methods there are, though.
Understood "I" find it confusing myself, not a judgement, it's a "tool" that needs to be understood by the end user.
02-20-2014 04:03 PM
DJEtzel The op's dog is not aggressive, it's met many dogs before just fine and she's not setting him up to meet more, she was just asking if doing it or not doing it would effect anything.

It's not leash walking in general that she has a problem with. It's reactivity. And correcting a reactive dog (on a prong no less) is going to make it much worse.

You don't have to use a clicker to marker train. Marker training is one of the most effective positive reinforcement methods there are, though.
02-20-2014 03:53 PM
Chip18
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How can I possibly ever get to him tolerate other dogs if he isn't put in that situation? If I always have to pull him away how does he learn to not behave that way. I don't want him being buddy buddy or up close to to not react that way! I usually cross the street if another dog is on the same side walking. If they are in their yard he doesn't mind.


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The clicker thing can work, I myself find it confusing, if I can't understand it...how can my dog??

The prong collar, here is an example of how to "correctly use it"

Dog reactivity, ignore and move on, it's much easier to get dogs to ignore other dogs than it is to meet them.

If you persist in Petco and strange dog intros, then this is good reading: Leerburg | How to Break Up a Dog Fight Without Getting Hurt!

Finally a shot across the:
Leerburg | Dog Parks: Why They Are A Bad Idea
02-20-2014 03:35 PM
Msmaria
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Ok thanks for the advice. It's so frustrating because it's embarrassing when he behaves this way in public. Other dogs seem so well behaved and mine is nuts. Great at home and with people but not anywhere else. I will make sure to watch that video. Thanks a lot!!



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it would help if I attached the video..LOL


Lucy & Drayton Michaels, CTC - Reducing Leash Reactivity 11 20 11- - YouTube
02-20-2014 03:32 PM
Ares105
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Dont worry alot of us are visual too and thats why I have to take training classes and reread all the advice I get here..lol
Check out this counterconditioning video around the 3.25 mark. Sometimes working at the park gives you better control over distance. On a sidewalk you dont always have enough room to move away far enough. Be on the look out for dogs at the park, pay attention to the signals your dog is starting to get reactive. Make sure you are out far enough that he or she is still willing to take treats and listen to your commands. I use watch me alot with my dog. If your dog is not listening move farther away and try it again.

You shouldnt take your dog to Petsmart, as most people there assume the dogs there are dog friendly and you can run into a dog coming around the corner of the aisle on a long leash. if your dogs hurts another dog you will be responsible.

EDIT: You have lots of good advice below just keep at it in a safe place.

Ok thanks for the advice. It's so frustrating because it's embarrassing when he behaves this way in public. Other dogs seem so well behaved and mine is nuts. Great at home and with people but not anywhere else. I will make sure to watch that video. Thanks a lot!!



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02-20-2014 02:26 PM
Msmaria
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Ok I'm done with the topic. Lol. Hopefully it doesn't rain later and I can start this ASAP for when the trainer calls back in two weeks. I know it will take time. Thanks for everyone's help even with me not "getting". Sorry I'm a visual hands on type person.


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Dont worry alot of us are visual too and thats why I have to take training classes and reread all the advice I get here..lol
Check out this counterconditioning video around the 3.25 mark. Sometimes working at the park gives you better control over distance. On a sidewalk you dont always have enough room to move away far enough. Be on the look out for dogs at the park, pay attention to the signals your dog is starting to get reactive. Make sure you are out far enough that he or she is still willing to take treats and listen to your commands. I use watch me alot with my dog. If your dog is not listening move farther away and try it again.

You shouldnt take your dog to Petsmart, as most people there assume the dogs there are dog friendly and you can run into a dog coming around the corner of the aisle on a long leash. if your dogs hurts another dog you will be responsible.

EDIT: You have lots of good advice below just keep at it in a safe place.
02-20-2014 01:06 PM
Ares105 Ok I'm done with the topic. Lol. Hopefully it doesn't rain later and I can start this ASAP for when the trainer calls back in two weeks. I know it will take time. Thanks for everyone's help even with me not "getting". Sorry I'm a visual hands on type person.


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