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02-20-2014 07:26 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN I am changing the title of this thread - a 6-7 month old is not a juvenile spay so that addresses that.

Some more information: Early Spay & Neuter
does have information on juvenile (and other) spays. You have to click on some links for a few of them.

In your environment - without a doubt, you will have peace of mind. I also live in a no leash law place - my dogs are in a fenced yard if they are out but man, other dogs just roam.

Knock wood, my GSD will be 12 this April. Had I gotten her as a puppy, we would have missed out on 2 years of her being in heat in her lifetime (she had 1 in rescue as they were unable to leave her/take her to a vet due to behavior issues). I don't feel like either of us missed out on much. I just hope she has good genetics (she's got a lot of the GSD issues, but thankfully always to a minor degree - fistulas, plasmoma, EPI, allergies to chicken and eggs, sensitive stomach overall, HD noted @ time of spay, zinc [prior to spay] shortage, spondylosis, vulvar fold [extra flap of skin] so I'm happy about that)! And her previous behavior was not related to spay/not spay and is about as perfect as could be.
02-20-2014 12:02 AM
Serbrider Lauri & the Gang... thank you so much for those links. Read through them, and feel very enlightened. I love medical studies and such that totally slam down commonly believed myths.

However... I do believe I fit under one of the vet's recommendations for an early spay... not because of my own dogs, but because of my neighbors' dogs... and even if I have her on a leash 24/7 anytime I go outside while she's in her heat (which is what I would do), because of other people's irresponsibility, the risk of some animal getting hurt is high.

So... I'll see how it goes with her... but I'll probably spay around 6-7 months of age...
02-19-2014 10:32 PM
huntergreen i have always had my dogs fixed at around six months, never an issue.
02-19-2014 04:38 PM
my boy diesel If you feel you cannot prevent a pregnancy due to your living arrangements, to spay is the only way to go.....simple.


this
there's health risks to leaving intact
as well as spaying early
before first heat
and when you add
the benefit of no unwanted litters
your little girl will do fine
02-19-2014 04:15 PM
Lauri & The Gang
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Originally Posted by Serbrider View Post
So in my case... would y'all recommend I wait? Regardless of it being a mix that I do NOT want to be bred at all? In a rural area with a ton of loose unfixed males (I'm not kidding when I say they live outside my front door in a way, it's a trailer park and other homeowners just don't care), no reliable fencing that I cannot change because I am renting my home. And even if all I do during her heat is walk her on a leash outside, the males in this area are NOT well trained in the slightest, and it would be a big fight.

My problem isn't that I can't deal with an intact female or intact male behavior-wise. That's not a problem in the slightest. Training-wise, I am perfectly content and comfortable with either male or female, intact or fixed.

My problem is that she is a mixed breed, and I do not want the risk of potentially having another generation of mixed breeds that have trouble finding homes (the litter she came from only JUST found homes for all 8 puppies despite some serious advertising for them by their foster mom). I know there are ways of aborting pregnancies if something does happen, but all of those have risks associated with them as well.

So... I do want to do what is best for her though. I am NOT doing a juvenile spay... but a spay before her first heat... but nothing is scheduled as of yet.. so that could always change.
If you leave her intact for now and watch her, always going outside with her during her heat cycle, then you should be ok.

And what's the worst that can happen? If a dog gets to her during her heat then you can have her spayed at that time.

As for naysayers - here's information from vets and studies on the REAL risks of early spay/neuter:

Health Issues Linked to Spaying and Neutering Dogs

Golden retriever study suggests neutering affects dog health :: UC Davis News & Information

Endogenous Gonadal Hormone Exposure and Bone Sarcoma Risk
02-19-2014 03:47 PM
LoveEcho
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Originally Posted by Serbrider View Post
So in my case... would y'all recommend I wait? Regardless of it being a mix that I do NOT want to be bred at all? In a rural area with a ton of loose unfixed males (I'm not kidding when I say they live outside my front door in a way, it's a trailer park and other homeowners just don't care), no reliable fencing that I cannot change because I am renting my home. And even if all I do during her heat is walk her on a leash outside, the males in this area are NOT well trained in the slightest, and it would be a big fight.

My problem isn't that I can't deal with an intact female or intact male behavior-wise. That's not a problem in the slightest. Training-wise, I am perfectly content and comfortable with either male or female, intact or fixed.

My problem is that she is a mixed breed, and I do not want the risk of potentially having another generation of mixed breeds that have trouble finding homes (the litter she came from only JUST found homes for all 8 puppies despite some serious advertising for them by their foster mom). I know there are ways of aborting pregnancies if something does happen, but all of those have risks associated with them as well.

So... I do want to do what is best for her though. I am NOT doing a juvenile spay... but a spay before her first heat... but nothing is scheduled as of yet.. so that could always change.
I think in your case, spaying at that age is a good idea. It's all well and good to say "well, you should be able to manage" but accidents happen and it looks like where you live, the level of management would be pretty high.


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02-19-2014 03:45 PM
Saphire If you feel you cannot prevent a pregnancy due to your living arrangements, to spay is the only way to go.....simple.

It will be a juvenile spay even if you do right after first heat in most cases.....in the end, yours and her health and safety has to be number one so in your shoes I would most likely spay her before first heat. I am not sure if there are benefits of waiting for one heat vs. no heat. Perhaps some others will clarify if there are.
02-19-2014 03:43 PM
LoveEcho
Quote:
Originally Posted by my boy diesel View Post
working and sporting people
aren't general pet owners
or general population
i don't work my dog or sport
so he's just a pet and i think
this board forgets that many owners
are just like me and don't
want to deal with intact pets
that doesn't make us stupid
or lazy (common belief here apparently)
but in the short time our dogs have
here on earth i want to enjoy that time
and not have my dog adding
to the stress of daily living
i apologize for my style
of writing
my keyboard
is missing some keys
Aw man, that's a bummer! I only meant that in a "I hope I read this right" sort of way

I definitely get what you're saying, and agree. All comes down what works for you and your lifestyle. Delta is my first sport dog, so the idea of keeping her intact does give me a bit of a headache.


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02-19-2014 03:40 PM
Serbrider So in my case... would y'all recommend I wait? Regardless of it being a mix that I do NOT want to be bred at all? In a rural area with a ton of loose unfixed males (I'm not kidding when I say they live outside my front door in a way, it's a trailer park and other homeowners just don't care), no reliable fencing that I cannot change because I am renting my home. And even if all I do during her heat is walk her on a leash outside, the males in this area are NOT well trained in the slightest, and it would be a big fight.

My problem isn't that I can't deal with an intact female or intact male behavior-wise. That's not a problem in the slightest. Training-wise, I am perfectly content and comfortable with either male or female, intact or fixed.

My problem is that she is a mixed breed, and I do not want the risk of potentially having another generation of mixed breeds that have trouble finding homes (the litter she came from only JUST found homes for all 8 puppies despite some serious advertising for them by their foster mom). I know there are ways of aborting pregnancies if something does happen, but all of those have risks associated with them as well.

So... I do want to do what is best for her though. I am NOT doing a juvenile spay... but a spay before her first heat... but nothing is scheduled as of yet.. so that could always change.
02-19-2014 01:50 PM
DJEtzel Unfortunately, "pet" owners want an easier fix than training. That's where neutering comes in, though it isn't usually very healthy, especially that young. Studies show increased chances of cancers among other behavioral issues in dogs that are neutered before maturity (2 yrs) - it's science, not anecdotal information.

Many of us prefer to keep our dogs intact because it is healthier, and since we do put so much training into them, they do not have any behavioral issues associated with testicles or ovaries.

For the general pet population, as much as it hurts the dogs, I prefer early s/n because they simply can't be trusted to take care of intact dogs properly.
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