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02-19-2014 08:08 PM
HOBY OP You have gotten the good the bad and the ugly. You say you have 10 acres available for your dogs. Nice. At your age the world is your oyster. You want to be a breeder, go ahead, do it right, really right. You can only learn by trying. In the long run it is your call. If you should find that breeding is not for you there is another avenue that is just as rewarding and fulfilling, plenty of work and truly needed everywhere all the time forever. I would suggest you think about rescue. Not only do you get a buddy but you just may find that special service dog.
02-19-2014 06:12 PM
Xeph I'll tell you straight out that a service dog organization is not going to take your puppies from un tested un proven parents.
02-19-2014 05:25 PM
RubyTuesday Carmen, that's both thought provoking info & some very good questions.

G&Arabella, over the years I've had numerous friends that bred their dogs...Some saw easy money. Others had oops litters. ONE planned on breeding (& took 10 yrs preparing for her 1st litter)

Most of them literally couldn't give me a dog. Nor could they find the necessary takers from other friends, neighbors, colleagues & family members. The pups went to the shelter. In littter upon litter there were literally just a couple that found homes. It's impossible to know how successful the homes were b/c beyond promising to provide good homes nothing more was ever known of any of the people. Nor were the litter owners about to check & possibly mess up the 1 or 2 homes they managed to find.

Breeding is really much tougher than it appears. Even doing it very, very badly usually involves more money & effort than people expect. I don't breed & I've never regretted that decision.
02-19-2014 04:31 PM
carmspack this is a really bad idea "I have house on 10 acres that was passed down to me, so the majority of the litter would stay with me. "

and would they all need to recreate to feel self fulfilled.

chances are high that the needs demand would be overwhelming . How are you going to have well socialized , dogs with individual attention and training , especially if you have a litter of 8 or more .

8 young demanding dogs . Chances are they will turn into a little gone-wild dog oriented pack. Chances are none of them will develop to the best of their potential . Conflict , competition .

"I want to take 3 out of the litter and put them through a service dog course, I know there is a high wash out rate "

The wash out rate will be high or higher , maybe 100% UNLESS the breeding is done with knowledge of the pedigree, the breeding partner, selection, proper raising and socialization and training .

What makes the female a good candidate to produce service dogs. Have you had experience training ? Has the dog been evaluated for work through training and having her temperament assessed .

so curious about the pedigree , if you want to post it ?

you may be okay with them washing out , but what next . Any institute which is going to certify them doesn't want their time wasted .
02-19-2014 04:17 PM
SiegersMom I thought that they had to be 2-years before they can have hips certified. You would at least want to wait for that. If some of the pups work as therapy dogs they would be useless if they develop hip problems....
02-19-2014 04:05 PM
RubyTuesday But if you keep 3 you'll want them to have at least one litter as well, won't you?

I know many people, especially from Dad's generation & earlier, that thought females should have a litter prior to being spayed. They were mistaken.

IF you want to breed then you're in it (or should be, imo) for more than 1 litter. That requires years of hard work & careful preparation to do it right. You need to be certain you have solid breeding stock, that the bitch & stud are well matched, that you are clear on your breeding goals & how you will attain them. It's advisable to have an experienced breeder who you're simpatico with mentoring you, as well.

There are health adavantages to allowing the dogs to mature prior to speuter surgery. The benefits seem to be more pronounced for males than females. Spaying prior to the 1st heat does offer bitches the very real advantage of an almost non-existent incidence of breast cancer. I'm honestly undecided as to whether this advantage outweighs the drawbacks. It's just not as clear with the females from all that I've read.

She's still very young. Please don't rule out the possibility of not breeding her regardless of whether or not you keep her intact. I know that ultimately uou want to do what is best for your girl. Please study on it a great deal more before making an irrevocable & potentially tragic mistake.
02-19-2014 03:58 PM
Liesje "Evaluated"....for what and by whom?

Having a litter doesn't help organs fully develop (it can do a number on organs if there are problems with the pregnancy or delivery). Leaving a dog intact will, but that does not mean you have to actually breed the dog. By all means, leave her intact for now so she can fully mature. At THAT time, decided whether she is breedworthy. At 6 months, it's a crapshoot. She's not old enough for any hip or elbow certs, titles, can't do a BH or AD, a show rating at this age would not count toward a breed survey. You can do a DM test and evaluate based on the pedigree but that's about it at this age.
02-19-2014 03:40 PM
G&Arabella I'm a 21 year old male, and I was raised around all kinds of dogs. My Grandfather would tell me every time we had a new puppy or dog to always let them have one litter for 2 reasons, the first being that it helps the dog psychologically, and the second that it allows the dogs internals to grow and fully develop.

Now obviously from most of the rude comments and everything else going on here what I was taught while growing up wasn't 100% accurate. I have never had a female die on me during birth or have any complications during any stage of the pregnancy, I have lost a few puppies but that is natural. It sucks, but it is completely natural.

Yes this is the 6 month old we are talking about and I do not plan on letting her have a litter until she is a year and half. That being said I do plan on getting her evaluated and making sure she is ok to have pups when that time draws near. There would be no issues as to where the puppies would go, I have house on 10 acres that was passed down to me, so the majority of the litter would stay with me. I want to take 3 out of the litter and put them through a service dog course, I know there is a high wash out rate and I am completely ok with it, but at least I know I tried. If all else fails I could go apply to get a service dog for my sisters instead of having one that they have been around since it was born.
02-18-2014 03:39 PM
NancyJ Some of the comments on this thread are rude and add nothingof value to the conversation; lets be polite folks.

"The OP already stated she was going to spay, but I always love your ridiculous comments. Two of my three are intact. "

"Yikes. I can only imagine how you feel about the reproductive rights of human women"


Here we go again

Are you serious
02-18-2014 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by holland View Post
Umm if I haven't spayed my dog I don't love her? I think she has lived a pretty full life with me ...

The OP already stated she was going to spay, but I always love your ridiculous comments. Two of my three are intact.

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