|02-17-2014 11:16 PM|
Everybody wants a quick fix, not just noobie dog trainers. Quick easy weight loss, workout DVDs, exercise equipment, easy money solutions, playing in the stock market, Investment opportunities, real estate, Internet TV on demand, and on and on and on.
Do we just ban it all? Regulate and legislate till we effectively turn normal law abiding citizens into criminals? Or accept that a lot use things within reason, a good number do really good things with the things available to them, and a few are going to be complete morons no matter what you do?
|02-17-2014 10:44 PM|
If every novice trainer was thinking that then why would they be on this forum asking advice about trainers who use this technique?
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|02-17-2014 10:15 PM|
|Baillif||Offleash k9 is cookie cutter bs dog training. They suck. Find a real trainer.|
|02-17-2014 10:04 PM|
|Blanketback||Seriously - how many threads on a firearms forum do you think deteriorate to the point where people are warned not to shoot their foot off? At some point we need to just sit back and listen to what people who *know*what*they're*doing* have to offer. Otherwise the novices won't even know how much they have to learn. Right?|
|02-17-2014 09:58 PM|
actually if you want me to propose a solution maybe instead of banning it, only certified people can use it. or if you arent certified then you can only buy one with (blank) level of stim. that would satisfy both the animal rights people and hardcore sport people.
|02-17-2014 09:53 PM|
|llombardo||It was determined that Midnite was one if those dogs that was not trained right with an ecollar. This was determined after a couple different evaluations with different trainers. They also thought the prong was used wrong, but that was easier to fix, so we went that route.|
|02-17-2014 09:50 PM|
So what is your proposed solution? Would it be better to not talk about the effectiveness of the training?
I guess I don't understand what you want from me.
|02-17-2014 09:44 PM|
|boomer11||sorry i guess that should say "every novice member reading any ecollar thread on any dog forum". the problem is people hear how easy it is to teach a dog something and they go try it. they think its a quick fix (or at least my friends do).|
|02-17-2014 09:35 PM|
I understand your point, kind of, but you aren't being very consistent.
|02-17-2014 09:26 PM|
i'm generalizing david. not talking about anything you posted. i'm not even talking about this forum. i've seen your post in a lot of ecollar threads and you are careful with the advice. i am too.
like any tool people would rather get it and try it instead of getting professional help. i mean its "common sense" to strap it on and when the dog ignores a command, just zap it. like it or not, thats how most pet people think. if the dog doesnt listen then just crank it up a few notches and try again.
unlike most tools, you can really hurt the dog with the ecollar whether its intentional or not. thats the grey area with the ecollar. its very very effective but its the easiest to misuse.
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