|03-06-2014 09:10 AM|
|glowingtoadfly||She has actually been doing better with mouthing since we moved to a house in a less urban, dog dense neighborhood with a bigger yard for her to burn off energy, and since we got her a brother to appropriately play with using her mouth. She hasn't mouthed on a walk in a month. Last night she did, but it was because it had been her long day in her crate, she hadn't been out all day, and she didn't want to come in from playing with her brother and instead of putting a leash on or enticing her with her ball I tried to pull her in by her collar. Handler mistake. The local IPO club is two hours away... We joined the German shepherd dog club, but there were too many dogs in the class for her and she just wasn't over her hand shyness enough yet to be able to participate. Also, they used leash corrections and prongs combined with treats. She just couldn't focus. At the class I brought her to at the humane society ( it was a one time recall class) they used clickers and there were fewer dogs to distract her and she LOVED it, did great, was able to focus because of the clicker. They do have agility at the club and I think eventually she might be ready to take some classes there but right now she focuses best with the clicker in my opinion. Thank you for the advice, you are echoing what my husband sometimes says. It drove him nuts when we had a positive only behaviorist come over to help us with the hand shyness and mouthing because he believed that the type of dog she is requires more stern training. Our breeder uses positive training with her dogs and doesn't seem to approve of prongs, so I think it is possible to train this type of dog positively. She trains and titles her dogs in SAR, schutzhund, flyball, etc.|
|03-05-2014 09:14 PM|
No offence because you sound like you just want whats best for the dog but those issues are very easy to fix.
You have a working line dog 99% of trainers dont understand how to work a dog like that. They make up all sorts of nonsense because they dont understand the drives and temperments these dogs have.
If it where me I would not stop using the ball, just get a conflict free out on the dog. Nothing like some good ball drive!
I also have a dog with low threshholds thats easily aroused. Prong used properly has done wonders for her impulse control and achieving compliance. This notion that the prong hypes dogs up is another myth that is commonly spread by the non compulsion crowd.
Your dog sounds like a dog that has a bit of a backbone and some drive. Her behaviors are typical of a puppy that doesnt have a clear system of consequences and rewards. See NILF. Such a dog needs black and white. Your issues will be fixed in no time at all.
Purely positive training might work well for some low drive shelties or labs but thats not what you have by any stretch.
If I where you I wouldnt bother with the Humane Society go to your local IPO club that understands how to properly train a GSD. All JMO.
|03-05-2014 07:38 PM|
|glowingtoadfly||My parents & his parents use choke/ prong collars with their dogs and the bond is very deep with their dogs. I guess I just feel that, personally, using that kind of training with my dog is not right for me or her.|
|03-05-2014 07:28 PM|
|glowingtoadfly||This has actually been an ongoing discussion between my husband and I. He comes from a long line of prong collar users who love leerburg. I am more into compulsion free training, love Nicole Wilde and Patricia Mc Connell. We decided to use positive training with her because we dont think she would react well to a prong, because she is easily aroused and has struggled as a teen with impulse control and being over threshold, specifically with mouthing. So far, we have rules and expectations and use time outs and clicker training, firm nos and redirection. With two in the house and a ball possessive girl ( she came to us guarding her ball from humans) we have definitely been struggling a bit switching over to food for rewards instead, because we know she would guard her ball from another dog, and ball is her motivator over food and rest. She was recently trying to play ball on an ice injured paw through the pain. Recently she has been willing to defend her right to play in the backyard longer with mouthing and refusing to come inside. We are working on obedience without ball but I know she will test us. She recently became ready to get into a class at the humane society so i think that having basic obedience there when she is distracted will help. I believe we have a deep bond but don't question the bond different kinds of trainers have with their dogs. I think it is different, but no less, if that makes sense.|
|03-05-2014 04:45 PM|
How do you know your bond is deeper? Ill guarentee you if the dog is truly hard your obedience will never be reliable under distraction unless you have that ball..
I think what makes a deep bond is clear communication and expectations from the get go. Dog is feels safe and comfortable knowing what brings success and what brings consequences. Compulsion free training is more to do with the human then the dog imo.
|03-05-2014 04:05 PM|
|glowingtoadfly||By the skin of our teeth we are training a hard working line with a clicker, treats and a ball. No prong. Can't say she hasn't made it hard, but the deeper bond is worth working without compulsion training.|
|03-02-2014 08:25 PM|
Being from Quebec, I am wondering about this law and if it has actually passed or if it is just in the making. Though it doesn't really affect me, there are so many bigger issues here, it's almost a slap in the face that when they decide to take an interest and action regarding animal welfare laws, it's over something like this. According to MAPAQ's site, prongs and e-collars are now deemed unacceptable, not sure if it's going to be enforced or what, but that is what it says (and with pictures). http://www.mapaq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/Publi...ats_chiens.pdf .
Section 26 states that "The animal's collar must not impede breathing or cause pain or injury".
Why are prong and electric collars being singled out? Any collar can cause pain and/or injury when misused, including those that don't seem to cause harm, such as regular flat collars (constant tracheal pressure/choking if dog is pulling) and head halters (risk of cervical injury). My friend used a Halti on his GSD and the dog saw a rabbit and lunged and got it's head whipped back. I really don't trust those things on some dogs, not matter how "safe" and "gentle" people think they are.
I think you need to know your dog and choose tools that work for your dog and your situation, your desired results, etc. If you are unable to make that choice on your own, seek professional help. I have a very soft dog that I would never use a prong on, doesn't mean I think prongs are bad for all dogs. I have a very prey driven dog that I would never put a Halti on, doesn't mean I think Haltis are bad for all dogs.
|03-02-2014 08:13 PM|
Clicker and NILF training is not gonna cut it!
|03-02-2014 08:04 PM|
|03-02-2014 07:16 PM|
|Blitzkrieg1||Apparently this law only applies to kennels with over 5 dogs.. Thats what I heard at IPO today from people that know the IPO folks in Quebec..|
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