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02-17-2014 11:23 AM
Freestep People, don't take your reactive dogs to Petsmart to be groomed. I can't think of a worse place to take a reactive dog. Too many people, too many dogs, too much commotion, and the "open concept" of grooming in front of windows so that looky-lous and their dogs can look in and tap on the glass, makes a dog even more nuts. IMO pet grooming should be like a "spa" environment... quiet, out-of-the-way, external stimulus kept to a minimum. Not in a fishbowl in the middle of a superstore.
02-17-2014 08:25 AM
ZoeandMoe I had the exact same issue with Zoe. She is 15 months and two months ago at the vet, around other dogs she was VERY reactive. So much so, the vet put a muzzle on her. 2 weeks later, I took her for a grooming at Petsmart. When I picked her up they told me while she was great with the groomers, not so much with the other dogs. They asked that I please make her the first or last appointment the next time. After several questions on this board, I hired a personal trainer a month ago. We just had our fourth lesson this Sat. and already I see a huge difference. We have not introduced her to another dog yet because we are working on HER confidence. Basic Obedience. All the things she knew already but now it is being taught to follow the command without hesitation. In the 4 weeks so far, not only is this fun for both of us but I am learning just as much as she is. The trainer also told me this past weekend he thought she would be great for detection work. That's down the line I suppose but for right now I am pleasantly surprised at the the results thus far.
02-16-2014 07:28 PM
DJEtzel A doggie daycare could either help or make him more excited to see other dogs. If it's fear based it may help calm him, though.

If you want to take him to daycare, I would find a reputable center and schedule an evaluation. They will know how to introduce him safely to other dogs to see if he would be a good fit, reactivity aside.
02-16-2014 07:18 PM
Ares105 No there is not much room in between tables. It was Petsmart. He wanted to smell another dog I assume but of course I didn't let him because I didn't know how he would react to them and didn't want to take the chance. He is a big boy and hard to control even with a gentle leader. I will def be looking into a trainer. I understand that teaching him to ignore other animals would be ideal. The doggie daycare wasn't mentioned in a way to dump him off. It was to help socialize. Wasn't sure if that would help. they only place we go out in public like that is the groomer. yes he is walked but that is not as stimulating so he doesn't act that way on walks even when he does see a dog.
02-16-2014 05:07 PM
David Taggart
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Sometimes with dog aggressive dogs, it just depends on the other dog,
That is exactly what shouldn't happen. Your dog should look at you. Ideally. There could be bears, dinosaurs, earthquakes, any "barking" disaster. Your dog should heel, should sit, should look at you if you asked. Building a new stereotype requires repetition in different situations. The trainer explains you how you, human, should behave in order to calm your dog, how to read him, the dog is an animal and would always behave instinctively. Say, if your face is turned towards that dog - even from behind your dog will see it! - and he would pull and bark. Shouts, high pitched tunes of your voice would excite him, and low, almost grumbling voice would tell him to obey. Dog's behaviour sould depend on the behaviour of his handler 75%, 10% on his mood which varies day to day, 10% on environment, and only 5% on the distracting object. Ideally.
02-16-2014 04:01 PM
Freestep
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Originally Posted by sit,stay View Post
I spent a month going around to different grooming shops. I physically walked in and spoke with the owner/manager of each one. I knew that Tanner would ignore another dog that was A) contained safely (crated or tethered) and B) not able to intrude on Tanner's personal bubble (which is about 5 feet).

So I looked at shops and how they were laid out. Was there plenty of room between tables? Or were they standing side by side with just enough room in between for the groomer to stand. Were the personal dog's belonging to the groomer(s) running loose in the grooming area? What about in the back area, where dogs waiting to be groomed or picked up are crated or kenneled?

I just kept looking until I found a shop that had plenty of room in the grooming area, did not allow loose dogs to wander anywhere and had a kind of low key vibe. Tanner does very well there, and there have been no problems.

Take the time to find the right shop for your dog. Not every dog does well in those crowded, loud, chaotic shops that have loose dogs under foot.
Agreed. It's too bad you aren't in my area, or I could help. I manage my salon in such a way that no two dogs are ever out at the same time. I do have several dogs in the salon at a time, but when I'm working on one, the others are all safely crated--no one running loose, not even my own dog. Some groomers take one dog at a time, which would also be a good option.

You might even want to try a mobile groomer, that comes to your house and grooms your dog in their grooming van. No other dogs, no distractions. That won't solve the reactivity problem, but at least you can have him groomed without a big hassle.
02-16-2014 04:00 PM
Harry and Lola
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My Harry has imo become fear aggressive due to not being diagnosed with EPI quick enough. I am doing B12 generic shots (6 weekly course) and also giving him Wonderlab B12 with intrinsic value, I have noticed he is calmer, not so anxious and not reacting so much, however often with changes in temperament due to illness, these can become learned behaviours so I am working on this as well.

Sometimes with dog aggressive dogs, it just depends on the other dog, there are some dogs that are not stable like ours and our dogs pick up on this and become reactive or other dogs are staring at him and challenging him and because yours is more vocal - he gets the blame. You will find your dog is not dog aggressive around stable dogs.

I would discuss this with your groomer because they also have a role to play here, they need to be in control and calm themselves. Perhaps they could book your GSD in with other stable dogs, that way they will have an easier time (you don't want them to work too hard!) and your GSD will benefit from being around other stable dogs.
02-16-2014 03:46 PM
David Taggart
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doggy daycare
Sure, doggy daycare wouldn't mind to accept some dosh from you and just lock your dog away where from he can bark as much as he likes. Please, don't think they would risk their reputation, unless their suggested trainer takes a stick and use a prong not exactly for corrections. But you wouldn't know about it.
Daycare is a good thing, but for puppies under 6 months, and that is only because they were deprived from playing with their sisters and brothers in the first place. Puppy behaviour is different from that of an adult dog. And, if your dog isn't used to stay in kennels - he would be very stressed. being separated from you and his home.
You need a personal trainer, who will train you, not your dog.
02-16-2014 03:14 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Ares105 View Post
I thought that doggy daycare would help but nervous he would bite heways that could gone of them and it would turn out bad. Do you think daycare can help? .
No don't dump your problem onto someone else and put other dogs at risk and people at risk!

The ways that could go wrong are too numerous to count!

Having a qualified trainer would be the quickest way to fix the issues but here is something that you can try!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXeSv...?v=hXeSvoeorEI

You can teach him to ignore other dogs, that's a lot easier than trying to turn him into a dog park dog. Some dogs can never get along with other dogs, play days but most can be taught to be civil around other dogs.

It sounds like you did all the basics some dogs that's enough and some dogs still have "issues" that need to be dealt with it happens.

I had a BullMastiff/Pitt mix like that, I had him evaluated by a trainer. He told my dog was a Dominate Male but he was not aggressive...he was just an A Hole!

I could deal with that! I taught him to ignore other dogs and that was good enough for me.

There are things you can do yourself (see above) that are safe and do no harm, if you want a bullet proof "dog park" that's a whole other thing! In that case yes you need a pro! Short of that...check out the the link
02-16-2014 03:06 PM
David Taggart 4 years is not the age to think that his brain has benn crystallized already and you cannot train him better social manners. Dog is a predator, and everuthing else in him works in combination with this major character. Dogs are deprived of that ability which seems very simple to us, and that is our human ability to classify, to put things into categories. Instead, they approach things individually. It is impossible that your male likes all people, and hates all dogs. Try to notice and specify particular occasions and circunstance, what people, and what those dogs were like. If he just lunges and barks - it doesn't mean he's agressive, he could be just scared of some unknown dog, or he obeys his simple predatory drive and simply wants some response from possible prey being unable to read that dogr body language due to the lack of experience with them. Many people were telling me that their dog is agressive, but in the end it happened that the reaction was caused by the leash holding them away from the object of interest. Then, if he is truly agressive - he would start to differentuate, say, a smaller ones he would like to hunt, females to supress and big males to destroy. So, in order to answer your question, it could be better to hear about that or other day experience.
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