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02-17-2014 02:42 PM
Sunflowers I have found this to be the ultimate supplement.

If I ran out of it, we would have dull coat and shedding within the week. I now feed it every other day and the results are phenomenal.
I would feed this no matter what type of diet I gave my dog.

Feed-Sentials Nutritional Supplement
02-17-2014 02:39 PM
RubyTuesday Sorry, cwf...I didn't see your last post. IF home cooking isn't affordable it makes an excellent addition to a decent kibble. My previous vet (retired, darn the man!) LOVED home cooking though he wasn't a proponent of RAW.
02-17-2014 02:37 PM
RubyTuesday
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I'm planning to switch to just canned food, moving away from our current kibble (Acana), but I'm extremely concerned about meeting their caloric needs with canned, or any wet food.
I suspect a quality canned food will be more expensive than RAW. Look for a decent quality kibble, ie high on meat ingredients, & be assured that your dogs should do fine. IF they have problems be certain you're not over feeding. It causes considerably more problems than under feeding. Costco's brand (Kirkwood or Kirkland) is decent. Pro-plan, Purina ONE aren't bad, either though they lack cachet & get dissed a afir amount. Blue Buffalo is another I'd feed if it's affordable & that's a concern. (I've fed it but I can't remember what the price was.) IF it's affordable, I think Taste of the Wild is a good choice.

I personally think that quality scraps of human food are beneficial to dogs, especially left over meats & stews. Even if you feed kibble (or canned) try to supplement with quality scraps/left overs &/or the occasional chicken leg quarter, turkey neck, liver, gizzards etc.

Dogs, even active dogs, almost always need considerably less than what is recommended on the bag. Again, strive to not over feed. Your dogs will benefit, especially long term.

Don't worry about calories. Some foods might digest better & hence require fewer calories for the same benefit. Look at your dogs. Active? Good coats? Clear eyes? Normal stools? Happy? Decent lean weight? (Even VERY lean is ok. We've truly lost sight of what weights are healthy). IF you can answer yes to those questions then your dogs are getting enough.

I do love my over sized guys! You won't get any criticism from me but the big guys (& girls) need to stay lean, too. It might be even more important for the over sized GSDs to help them maintain joint health & structural integrity.
02-17-2014 01:20 PM
cwf
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Originally Posted by GreenCo View Post
Feeding raw or cooked meat is going to be cheaper than canned food for sure. I've been down this road with my picky eater. He was a rescue and 25lbs underweight, was a rack of bones. The only thing that saved him was getting actual meat into him. Spent a lot of money on a good kibble and canned food but it wasn't until I introduced actual fresh meat into his diet that it made a difference. Canned food is more expensive than a lot of cuts of meat you can get. Go and microwave some canned food, any brand, and see what you are left with.
I agree, Green Co. I've made my decision---I'm homecooking for my kids from now on. I'll get some BalanceIT to supplement and a calcium source, and I'll use a variety of recipes. I think it'll be healthier, more economical and an all around wise move, nutritionally. Plus, a smaller carbon footprint and it's a greener solution, which I love. Thanks, everyone, for your help.
02-17-2014 12:16 PM
GreenCo Feeding raw or cooked meat is going to be cheaper than canned food for sure. I've been down this road with my picky eater. He was a rescue and 25lbs underweight, was a rack of bones. The only thing that saved him was getting actual meat into him. Spent a lot of money on a good kibble and canned food but it wasn't until I introduced actual fresh meat into his diet that it made a difference. Canned food is more expensive than a lot of cuts of meat you can get. Go and microwave some canned food, any brand, and see what you are left with.
02-16-2014 04:21 PM
Bequavious
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That's certainly a possibility for me. Although, I wonder if it might be more cost effective to do the whole meal myself, rather than buy the non-meat HK blend.

Do any homecooked feeders use a supplement designed to be fed with homecooked dogfood? I did a brief google search and found one supplement line, BalanceIT, but wondered if there's a product popularly used. If I could add a single supplement to provide the necessary vitamins and minerals, I'd be on board (fearlessly) with homecooked food. In fact, homecooked would be preferable in that event. I just want to avoid buying and using a chemistry lab full of commercial additives (e.g. bonemeal, vitamins, minerals), just to be sure my homemade food is nutritionally balanced. If there's a single supplement product out there, I'm IN!
If you're really interested in doing your own meals, I would probably look into getting a good book about it. They had two books at my library about dog nutrition, and while one was not particularly helpful, the other had a good deal of information about each of the vitamins and minerals in a dog's diet. It talked about how some of them worked together, proper balances, and symptoms of over- or under-doses.

Honestly though, I think variety in what you serve and a multi-vitamin like Laurie said would be fine unless you we're having specific problems. There are a ton of supplements marketed to people too, but most people don't take them. Not that they're not helpful (the one girl I know who did take supplements was a body builder working toward a competition), but they're usually not necessary to live a healthful life.
02-16-2014 03:27 PM
cwf
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I don't want to feed raw, for a variety of reasons.
Honest Kitchen Preference is dehydrated, you add water to rehydrate and add your choice of cooked or raw meat.
I add in cooked beef, rabbit, venison, chicken, salmon, etc.
I also rotate in Orijen 6-fish kibble, at my husbands request. That way he can feed her easily if I am not home.
That's certainly a possibility for me. Although, I wonder if it might be more cost effective to do the whole meal myself, rather than buy the non-meat HK blend.

Do any homecooked feeders use a supplement designed to be fed with homecooked dogfood? I did a brief google search and found one supplement line, BalanceIT, but wondered if there's a product popularly used. If I could add a single supplement to provide the necessary vitamins and minerals, I'd be on board (fearlessly) with homecooked food. In fact, homecooked would be preferable in that event. I just want to avoid buying and using a chemistry lab full of commercial additives (e.g. bonemeal, vitamins, minerals), just to be sure my homemade food is nutritionally balanced. If there's a single supplement product out there, I'm IN!
02-16-2014 03:04 PM
farnln
How about home cooked meat & Honest Kitchen Preference?

I don't want to feed raw, for a variety of reasons.
Honest Kitchen Preference is dehydrated, you add water to rehydrate and add your choice of cooked or raw meat.
I add in cooked beef, rabbit, venison, chicken, salmon, etc.
I also rotate in Orijen 6-fish kibble, at my husbands request. That way he can feed her easily if I am not home.
02-16-2014 02:59 PM
Lauri & The Gang I've been feeding a raw diet to my dogs for over 15 years now. I've weaned puppies directly to raw and raised puppies from 8 weeks of age on raw.

I have NEVER worried about calories. When the dogs are young and still growing I do a hands-on exam every week to see how their weight is. If I can easily feel their ribs and backbone, they need more food. If I can't feel anything - they need less food. Simple as that.

Dogs, just like kids, go through periods of growth spurts and plateaus. By checking them every week I can adjust as necessary.

Once they stop growing they are fed the amount needed to keep them at a good weight. This varies based on the weather (if it's nice outside they are outside more, expend more energy and need more food) and their activities.

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I also don't worry about vitamins or minerals. I feed a varied diet with at least 3-5 different protein sources each 10-14 days. For my Chinese Crested puppies, because they grow to full size very quickly, I add a basic multivitamin just to be sure they are getting everything they need.
02-16-2014 02:51 PM
cwf
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Originally Posted by Bequavious View Post
I would think you could do a homemade diet a lot cheaper than a purely canned diet for your large dogs. I know you said you didn't want to do raw, but is that just because it's raw? Would you give them cooked meat? There are a ton of apps and stuff (mostly designed for dieting people) that will calculate the calories of various foods for you if you're doing a homemade diet.
Yes, I am absolutely willing to feed homecooked meals. My concern is meeting the nutritional requirements in regard to vitamins and minerals. When one adds in the cost of supplements, I suspect that homecooked can rival canned in terms of cost. But yes, absolutely, I am willing to do homecooked if that proves to be a better option than canned.
FYI, the canned food I was considering is Lotus. The second option was dehydrated food, The Honest Kitchen Thrive variety. I'm keen on feeding human-grade ingredients and so that's another cost factor.
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