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02-18-2014 12:52 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by David Winners View Post
I personally use harnesses for puppies, as I don't want to desensitize them to pulling on a collar around their neck.
Thanks for noting this! That's what I have always used on the puppies that were good on leash!

No brilliant insight on my part..just dumb luck!
02-18-2014 12:49 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Harry and Lola View Post
I found Martingale's are good for puppies and dogs that tend to slip their collar, a correct fitting martingale won't be able to slip off and provides gentle correction compared to check chain.
Boxer/pitt pup who was fortunately well trained! But he could apparently ditch a regular collar at will!!
02-18-2014 12:31 PM
Oskar's Human Thanks for the advice all! I am going to order a martingale collar. Any ideas on size? I know I'll have to take a look at his scruffy neck (he weighs probably 25+ lbs was 22.6 last week on Monday) but did you all go with a puppy size, or small adult dog size etc? I guess I am trying to ask how adjustable are they?
02-16-2014 11:52 AM
shepherdmom
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Knowing what I know now for a puppy I'd carry them into the vets office not just because of possibility of disease but because bigger dogs might attack or scare them and that's best to just avoid. For a hike I'd go with harness. At 16-20 weeks or so if you knew exactly what you were doing with prongs you could introduce them then or even earlier if you were feeling particularly brave/skilled. With a sport pup I would wait much longer.
Oh no prongs for me. I would have no idea what to do with one... So a harness sounds like the way to go for a while.
02-16-2014 11:49 AM
Baillif
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Interesting. So for a pet dog you just want to be able to walk on a leash into a vets office or on a hike, still with the harness or go with the martingale? I've used a harness on my head shy mixes but I've always used choke chains on my GS pups. (They didn't have martingales or harnesses back then LOL)
Knowing what I know now for a puppy I'd carry them into the vets office not just because of possibility of disease but because bigger dogs might attack or scare them and that's best to just avoid. For a hike I'd go with harness. At 16-20 weeks or so if you knew exactly what you were doing with prongs you could introduce them then or even earlier if you were feeling particularly brave/skilled. With a sport pup I would wait much longer.
02-16-2014 09:57 AM
Castlemaid For Oskar a martingale collar would be a good solution:

02-16-2014 09:56 AM
shepherdmom
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Davids describing a process that is more geared towards high performance sport dogs. You keep them a bit more "wild" in some ways and early on you lean more towards management to prevent behaviors you don't want than active interventions. A lot of it is advice to prevent newer trainers from unintentionally causing issues later on down the line as well. You would wait till they were older to put obedience behaviors on them as well. Not to say you wouldn't imprint the behaviors under the atmosphere of a game. Its largely a motivational thing.
Interesting. So for a pet dog you just want to be able to walk on a leash into a vets office or on a hike, still with the harness or go with the martingale? I've used a harness on my head shy mixes but I've always used choke chains on my GS pups. (They didn't have martingales or harnesses back then LOL)
02-16-2014 09:54 AM
jocoyn I wish I had done that with Beau (harness). I have had to correct problems and wound up on a prong at 6 months to save my rotator cuffs. We had to back up to do loose leash walking as a pup and I think it is not as strong as if he had never learned to pull into the collar.

I have heard different schools of thought on tethering. My breeder suggested not for a dog slated to work offlead independently. I have heard others who do a lot of obedience do...definitely a whole 'nother topic
02-16-2014 09:31 AM
Baillif Best explanation I've heard used is that if you make a clear separation between play and work with a dog too early they'll end up not wanting to do the work. Think about it in human terms if you enjoy your job you're excited to do it and less down in the dumps about it if someone punishes you or corrects you for doing something wrong. When you begin to put control on things like tug and bitework or obedience you have a dog that is already conditioned to enjoy it and have more dog to work with. The more control you put on anything the less fun it is going to be. If youve ever worked with trainers that get on you about doing stuff wrong when you should know better you know how it gets. Stuff might get said or sessions could get so frustrating if you dont have desire for the job youll have times you wanna give it up.

Lots of sport dogs wash out at the point you start putting control on stuff like bitework. Theyre all into it at first and then you make them out or whistleback or call off or whatever and theyre like screw this this sucks.
02-16-2014 09:24 AM
David Winners That's a good explanation. Thanks Baillif
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