|02-17-2014 10:34 AM|
|02-17-2014 02:21 AM|
Here is a video that Martine Loots shared of Kumo (Fun son).
At about the 3 minute mark, you can see him doing food refusal. There is inherent stress in this exercise. He does some lip licking, a yawn, a couple look aways, but is very solid in the behavior. As with the dog in the first video, a down can be a stressful position, especially with action going on. I think this reaction to the position in the fist video, and this video as well, is normal.
IMO, stress can be exaggerated by using harsh training methods as well, if the dog is expecting a harsh correction for breaking the down. This may be the case in the first video.
If you view the rest of this video, you will see a very confident young dog. Some things cause stress, and that is part of life. IMO, it is how the dog deals with the stress through behavior and resilience.
|02-16-2014 09:42 AM|
|Baillif||Internal conflict or classically conditioned stress response to ecollar stim associated with the cat? Know first im just posing the question i dont think your method is inappropriate.|
|02-16-2014 09:35 AM|
Control and precision in training whatever the behavior is not about alpha whatever that means or percieved fairness. Its about reliability and correctness. Anything less then that is failure.
My dog likes to play with the cat..alot, i do not allow this in the house. If she looks at the cat in an intense way she recieves e collar stim on low levels. She looks away licks her lips looks back etc. She no longer chases the cat nor is she afraid of the cat however if he gets close to her she does those behaviors. Internal conflict. I dont care what it looks like as long as she isnt scratching up my hardwood chasing the cat. It has no effect on the rest of the training.
Teach heeling with a prong or e collar exclusively you get the same look. The dog will still heel and in time those expressions will go away especially if you add rewards later. If the dog is not destined for sport but has a function that requires a reliable heel it doesnt matter.
|02-16-2014 01:53 AM|
|carmspack||some things you don't , can't teach .|
|02-16-2014 01:30 AM|
|02-16-2014 01:22 AM|
i was in the bank with my dog. my dog was in a down/stay
at the srvice counter. i was at the window. i heard my dog
whimper/whine. i turned around and there was a little girl laying
on top of him.
|02-16-2014 01:21 AM|
my last post wasn't completely cooked -- a shepherd dog used in the way of the HGH dog may need to be left with the herd with the shepherd absent and work diligently without being bribed or distracted, not tempted to follow some sweet talker , a romping dog , or offers of steak . The shepherd may be in the pub getting a meal -- and the dog parked outside the door.
The dog has to have self discipline , self initiative without being "managed" or micro managed .
That is called dependable . Loyal .
|02-16-2014 01:21 AM|
It is impressive. I have seen the dogs herding the sheep along a highway, and keeping them out of the crops and out of the road. Great stuff. Stuff they do every day. Normal for them.
If I was worried about people throwing poisoned food at my dog, I might worry about training them against taking it. The application isn't there. In this country, you do not leave your dog outside the pub while you have dinner.
|02-16-2014 01:14 AM|
I am happy with my dogs taking a high value treat nicely from me. I also train the figure 8 with distractions, which sometimes is food. We do train with marshmellows and other treats laying on the ground. We say, Leave It and move on by. No problems.
We never give these treats. We give a treat from our pocket.
But throwing food at a dog while the owner is out of site. Or putting food on a dog, and making it wait to eat it -- those are tricks I just see no point to whatsoever. Telling a dog to Leave It when you are walking can be a life skill. And no, it isn't hard to do. You do not have to be all alpha to do it.
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