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02-14-2014 10:32 AM
gsdPerseus I have an extremely talkative, strong willed gsd and from your video, I'd say it looks like anxiety.
For example, when we have guests over our dog gets extremely playful with them, so we put him in a down or 'lay', which is on his side, and he does similar behaviors. He simply wants up to play, but is waiting to be released from his down.
He'll take rubs and pets, even though all he truly wants is to play and nuzzle his way into someone's lap.
I would test his intentions by simply watching him when he acts this way, without touching. Try just calmly talking to him, with words he understands. (Our dog knows outside, toy, treat, play, etc and responds accordingly.) If he doesn't perk up to interact with you, or keeps his ears back, I'd assume he's not wanting affection.
Other than that I can't really say whats going on, but I've never seen this behavior with aggression or fear, just anxiety(which in some instances can lead to both, probably).

That being said, it does look like anxiety, but from what and to what extent- I don't know.
02-14-2014 10:17 AM
ken k
Originally Posted by carmspack View Post
attacked with "kisses" could be juvenile signalling , calming signal , so the dog wasn't into it --- wanted relief from the attention

then he throws a more obvious signal to you , flopping on ground and exposing belly -- bet you he was stiff --- and you belly scratch -- which he perceives as you victoriously making the message clear --

in the video bugged out eyes, ears pinned , face tight, mouth tight and closed , the tongue flick, the crinkle of nose , the low grumble -
I don't see this dog enjoying this

he wanted to be left alone, when he has this posture, best to leave him be,
02-14-2014 10:06 AM
Originally Posted by LovemyEli View Post
I have had him since 10 weeks and I have always been the same way. Which is my point of stop doing things that make your dog growl is confusing to me. He has never started making these sounds until recently so after 3 1/2 years he doesn't want me to bother him? I get in the video that he is laying down and being submissive and I keep going like I said I pushed it to get the video. There was one instance this happened when he came to me, leaned against me like he always does I was petting him then he did it. When he came to me and could have walked away I was not cornering him or filming him so then I just walked away. So why is he coming to me and then not walking away if he doesn't like it? I handle him all the time cleaning or touching ears, nose, paws and he has never done that while I am doing those things. I am the only one that grooms him. He also has anal gland issues so I have to express them myself and he hates that so maybe he just associates me petting him with all these things now?

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Does he show the body language every time? Or does the tucked ears, bug eyes, and tight body only show up in this video?

My pup loves to make all kinds of noises when we interact with him, it ranges from low grunts, to the annoying squeaky excited whine, but his body language is always playful and loving, so I let him grunt, but try to calm him when he gets more high pitched and excited.
02-13-2014 07:40 PM
MadLab IMO the dog is feeling misunderstood. It feels uncomfortable with the eye contact, the baby talk and the touching.

It's like no i don't like that, go away and in the end it has to growl to get the message through.

I would simply say research dog behavior and start to be the cool leader that the dog looks up to.

IMO When you bond with the dog you should keep the chin up to project strength and. Kneel down on one knee sideways to the dog almost parallel and then then give the dog a rub. This is the least confrontational approach.

I would use more pressure almost like a massage. This is sending a more calming and strong energy to the dog so it associates the encounter with stability.

Think about what energy you are projecting to the dog.
02-13-2014 07:24 PM
David Taggart
Is this statement to imply that PPD trainers don't use +R in training?
Of corse, not. That is just a hypothesis that early experience might determine our lives like in dogs.
I wouldn't call a hard stick as +R tool. There is an abyss between Schutz protection and PPD training.
02-13-2014 07:15 PM
David Winners
Originally Posted by David Taggart View Post
I'm using +R today, and he's a PPD trainer.
Is this statement to imply that PPD trainers don't use +R in training?
02-13-2014 07:04 PM
David Taggart
you are her
You have a good insight into human, I should admit. But, I'm a different person now, all of us evolved into something else with time. Quite recently, absolutely unintentionally, I have popped by sheer chance into a clip about PP training with a video, and the face of a man on video appeared somewhat very familiar to me. Yes, it was him... I liked to corner and bully him together in a gang of others when I was in school. I'm using +R today, and he's a PPD trainer.
02-13-2014 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
Just to add, some dogs are really aware of cameras!
This also!

My pup Chevelle, granted she is a puppy, (4 1/2 months) is super aware when I have the camera and if I prolong the shot to try and get her to look at me, occasionally she barks in annoyance...
02-13-2014 05:41 PM
Galathiel I'm an extremely tactile person. My pup is not. Up until this past month or so he could really care less if he had any pats at all. Now, he enjoys having his hind legs and above the base of the tail scratched. I scratch for 5 seconds, then pause and if his head still stays turned toward me, I do it again, repeating until he walks away. He tolerates everything from me, but that is something he actually enjoys and solicits. Now that your dog is matured, you might want to explore what he enjoys you to do NOW. It might be different than in the past.
02-13-2014 04:23 PM
doggiedad if you were her you would do the same thing she does because
you are her.

Originally Posted by David Taggart View Post
What I can see on video - your dog is truly scared of you and you are behaving agressively ( in a doggy language), he even tries to twist his upper lip - a weak sign of self-protection.

>>>> I wouldn't massage him and pinch his paws if I were you,<<<<

you should pet your dog not every time you like, but in times he expects it. Our human drum of tender words means nothing to dogs, and it worse for him, because your lovely intonations are associated with the torture. Kisses - they were his begging for mercy, as well as him exposing his belly. Seems to me, you are overpowering your dog with your love and he reads it as agression, because, even if you treated him for anus problem, just this wouldn't cause such an obvious fear on its own. If he growls - that is out of fear of you. Love can heal, but love can also kill.
Try to ignore him for a while, it will cheer him up.
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