|02-14-2014 10:48 AM|
|02-12-2014 11:51 PM|
Since I used to actually live near there, and worked for a dairy owner in that area, it really and truly is a very rural kind of community. Mostly farms with a few acreage, and honestly when I used to drive up and down those roads, you had to be more cautious about loose dogs than anything else. The guy I worked for had two Pyrs who would just hang out in his front property. There were many times I had to be careful when I drove in there at 3 am to avoid hitting one of them if they were out.
And I get that it doesn't make it right that they were loose, but it is a common practice with dogs in that area. Any actual neighborhoods were very rare that I had seen. Mostly just in the area around the main street through the town.
Sadly officers in this state as a whole don't seem to have as much information as they should have. We have had many dogs getting shot in the last few years by officers, and many of them were claimed not to have been actually going for the officer. We even had a man who was out with his two dogs shoot someone's GSD that was out in its driveway, claiming it had been charging at them. Met that GSD and she was truly one of the sweetest girls I've ever met. A friend's roommate's husky was shot a few week's ago too because it was loose near where a man had his chickens in the front yard.
So this state is kind of... >>; Yeah. I feel for the dog the most, but I feel more for the officer than the owner. He's the one who is getting the most flack for things. It is true he should have used better judgment, but it is always easier to say what someone should do rather than know what they were thinking in that moment or what other things they potentially had to deal with. I dunno. These are always just sad situations and no one ever seems to come out on top.
|02-12-2014 11:13 PM|
I agree that animal behavior training is not feasible for most departments.
I agree that the owner is ultimately 100% responsible for the situation.
I have had to shoot dogs in Afghanistan because they were charging my working dog. I have had to shoot dogs in Iraq because I was attacked. I get it. The officer has to protect himself. Where he made the mistake was getting out of the car in the first place. It is his responsibility to make smart decisions in stressful situations.
What you never do is sacrifice the time it takes to make a good decision due to unnecessary stress. If the dogs charge you, get back in the car, calm down because you are safe, and think before you act. If you are taking fire, you get cover, take a minute, and make a decision. You don't just run head long into danger, unless that is the best decision.
I expect just such problem solving skills from professionals. They owe it to those they protect, serve and defend.
|02-12-2014 09:43 PM|
|02-12-2014 09:39 PM|
|02-12-2014 09:38 PM|
There is a gunshot on the video.
|02-12-2014 09:32 PM|
|Bequavious||I didn't hear a gunshot and it looked yellow like a taser. Did the cop just tase the dog? I guess the dog still could have died because that's a lot of voltage, but it's better than shooting the dog with a gun.|
|02-12-2014 09:26 PM|
I watched the whole excruciating video, which was mostly listening to the cop talk to the dog owner.
The dog's owner was an ignorant fool, who doesn't deserve to own dogs. Dog ownership is a privilege. When people act so irresponsibly with dogs, it reflects and affects all of us.
He deliberately opened the door and let the dog out to roam about. I am sorry that the dog was the one that had to pay for it. But I have zero sympathy for the owner. It is totally his fault.
The cop was right when he said, "I don't know your dog. I am not your neighbor who pets it every day. I don't know that your dog will not bite me."
The cop maybe should have used his dispatcher to call the house and tell them to call the dogs in. The cop maybe should have put pepper spray in his hand rather than his pistol. The cop maybe should have done a lot of things. But, it is up to the dogs' owner to protect his dogs.
Give this man another dog??? For what??? So he can let it get run over in the road, shot by a hunter or cop, bite the neighbor lady or a kid.
The cop looked scared and aggressive at the same time. So the dog reacted to that and maybe aggressed more because of it, BUT anyone out taking a walk in that neighborhood might be afraid of dogs, might not know how to manage the situation, might cause by their negative feelings the dog to respond more aggressively.
It was the owner's fault. The community is poor. They do not have the money for more training for cops. In our neighborhood which is also poor, if this situation happened, and they suggested training, I would be violently opposed. What I want our cops here to deal with is the serious drug problems and all the crime, violence, and death happening because of the meth labs, crack, hand heroine going on here. If the cops have two nickels to rub together, they need to put it into enforcing the drug-laws.
Animal complaints are on animal owners. If owners think the cops are going to come and shoot their dogs if they are running around loose, maybe they will keep their **** dogs contained.
If communities have to spend more money to train cops on how to deal with calls involving dogs, than it will cost ALL dog owners more money. No, it will cost RESPONSIBLE dog owners more money. The dog license fees will go up up up. And the people who do go and buy them will be kicked in the pocket book yet again. Because ignorant fools think they should just open up their dog and let their dog run around.
Shoot the dog and arrest the yayhoo, make him go to court, and have the judge tell him he can't own another dog for five years, and after passing a written test compiled on all the local dog-related ordinances.
|02-12-2014 08:51 PM|
This took place about 2.5 hours east of me and has been all over the news here. There are a couple of points to make that might help clarify the situation.
There is no animal control there. It is predominately a farming community, and fairly poor. They don't have the resources. The population is less than 3,000. It has been mentioned that he should have called for back-up and just waited for help to arrive. He was on duty with one other officer, who was unavailable. There was no back up available. Although it would be nice to outfit every LE car with a catch pole, there just isn't the money to do it.
There had been a history of problems with these dogs, running at large and threatening neighbors. It is being reported here that they have confirmed ten separate complaints about these dogs, and the owner had been spoken to previously and nothing changed about the way he kept his dogs.
The cop could have handled it better. No doubt about that. But we should never lose sight of the fact that the owner was well aware of a problem that had been negatively impacting his neighbors for a while and made absolutely no effort to make changes to how he housed the dogs. The responsibility is on him. Not his neighborhood, and not LE. He dropped the ball regarding the containment of his dogs and one of them paid with it's life.
There has been a lot of chatter about this dog being a service animal. Not true. When asked by a reporter what service the dog provided and where could he get another one that could provide that service (because some well meaning souls were offering to purchase him another service dog), he stated that the dog had no particular training and provided no service other than keeping him company when he didn't feel up to being active. This was a case of a pet that had the label "service dog" applied incorrectly.
It is a shame that the dog was killed. But the responsibility for that death is squarely on the shoulders of the owner. If he hadn't allowed his dogs to run loose and bother the neighborhood, over and over and over again, the dog would still be alive. That is on him.
|02-12-2014 08:19 PM|
I agree with everyone's comments above. From how the dog was acting, I don't think it was going to bite. It was scared. To me, both parties are at fault...I blame the whole situation on the ingorance of the owner.
I agree on two things the officer said:
* The dogs shouldn't be running at large.
*While the owner knows hi dog won't bite, a stranger seeing it bark and growl at them doesn't know.
I feel bad for the dog. In the end, as a result of poor ownership and a trigger happy officer, the dog paid te ulimate price.
Little of topic, but if his dogs were running at large and the owner knew it...why wouldn't he go check them out when they were barking and growling? I have a fenced in yard....when they are out and start to bark, I go check them out to make sure everything is okay...very rarely do they bark unless there is cause to. Just seem so careless to me.
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