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Today 12:33 PM
Needing Advise Does anyone here know who Joyce Ainsworth is?
Is she a Judge at shows?
Today 08:45 AM
Blanketback Totally unreal. And I really hate the fact that some people think that what they did was fine, as far as placing the dogs with their friends and associates. Yes, I agree that having to house 39 dogs all at one time would have been tough, but WHY were the rescues that stepped up to help turned away? That's telling of the situation right there, say no more. This is so disgusting.
Today 08:39 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN
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Originally Posted by BowWowMeow View Post
The attorney general is definitely the one who needs to be notified. You would also do well to find a good investigative reporter to dig into this (and be aware that no one is going to come out smelling like roses).

I'm confused about one thing: Have the owners not joined together to file a civil suit to get their dogs back?
Agree - attorney general and cc the NYS Department of Ag & Markets. New York State Department of Agriculture and Markets

I am sure there is an "action team" on the news stations there who goes for this kind of thing. Durham, New York (NY 12423) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news list of stations at the bottom. Problem is - where is the sympathetic character in all of this - the only ones are the dogs, so I'd be looking for an animal advocate not related to any of the people in this situation (the shelter or the owners of these dogs) to tell this story, because no one who cares about dogs (and it will be people in NYS who will matter most in terms of policy) can relate to anyone who deals with their dogs like this. Bringing out the injustice of dogs being taken and not going to homes where they will be loved companions, but being (sold? given away? not following procedure that is for sure - and is sub-set and a huge angle that is the underlying story) used to make money for other people - that will not sit well with people and that's the story to be told.

While I still feel that the dogs were in horrible conditions and that was inexcusable (opened the door to all. of. this.) I am equally sickened by this turn of events.

In other areas, the landlord would have gone in, gotten horrified, called animal control, dogs would be seized, released by owner or not, and then things would have gone from there with good rescues and the shelter (likely shelter - adoptable dogs up their stats) speutering all before adoption if the dogs were turned over or not returned.

Unreal.
Yesterday 11:13 PM
Fran Kerrigan
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If these were children and not dogs, the parents would have their kids back by now, and the public wouldn't give a darn.

Have you seen the kids on Hoarders? The living conditions? How they work with these people to improve the conditions so that the children will not be taken away. It is crazy how we are so much more worried about dogs (well purebred expensive dogs), than children.

Oh yeah, you can't sell or give kids to your buddies.
Good point Selzer. I thought of this too, had this been a day care center raided would the best kids be adopted out overnight to their friends who couldn't have or produce kids like that on their own? Or would there truly be stricter laws enforced. IMO Cuomo's laws are not doing what they were designed to do. Especailly not in this case and what happens when we all sit and watch while case precedence is set. Ouch!
Yesterday 11:12 PM
Needing Advise
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Originally Posted by Jax08 View Post
Fully trained K9's? Or Schutzhund trained dogs?
Schutzhund, that is what I believe
But now I've heard a few are K9 & in patrol cars, one in Windham I think I heard quite a while ago.
Yesterday 10:58 PM
selzer If these were children and not dogs, the parents would have their kids back by now, and the public wouldn't give a darn.

Have you seen the kids on Hoarders? The living conditions? How they work with these people to improve the conditions so that the children will not be taken away. It is crazy how we are so much more worried about dogs (well purebred expensive dogs), than children.

Oh yeah, you can't sell or give kids to your buddies.
Yesterday 10:53 PM
Fran Kerrigan
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Originally Posted by BowWowMeow View Post
The attorney general is definitely the one who needs to be notified. You would also do well to find a good investigative reporter to dig into this (and be aware that no one is going to come out smelling like roses).

I'm confused about one thing: Have the owners not joined together to file a civil suit to get their dogs back?
My understanding is the owners have hired an attorney which they have already paid in excess of $12K , the SPCA ( specifically Ron Perez)has refused to comply with the "stay". His argumeent was after saying these dogs "all belong to us" blah blah blah, is that the Greene County Court that issued the warrant had no jurisdiction because they moved the animals to CGHS which is in Columbia County. A second 5 week old puppy was " adopted out" before he recognized thier jurisdiction and removed that puppy from its mother and siblings. It is illegal in the State of NY for this to happen , but apparently those laws don't apply to the SPCA. Horrifying IMO
Yesterday 10:40 PM
Fran Kerrigan The facts just don't add up. There is obviously something going on behind the scenes and yet we have heard nothing from Dawn. I have heard that she is unable to speak to anyone because of the pending court case but yet people seem to forget that only one side of the story is being told here. Only one side has been in the press and the media . And, IMO it does not look good for them or their ethical or moral values. Something corrupt is happening right before our eyes and we are all watching to "see what happens"?
I wanted to watch to see how this all played out , but now it concerns me. The SPCA has shown their true motives IMO and I am hard pressed not to want to stand up and challenge . What ever happened to due process? I don't believe Dawn has even been arraigned yet. When I last spoke to my siblings I heard that arraingment was scheduled for next Tuesday? Perhaps she will plead not guilty? And then what? What could she possibly fight for? Her animals which are evidence in this case are all gone being shown, bred, or living on couches wherever they are.
Please look up the Constitution and your ammendment rights regarding due process. It just doesnt seem right to me, any of it!
Yesterday 10:23 PM
Fran Kerrigan The Attorney General and the FBI should both be notified IMO. This is a scandal of collusion . Everyone is involved..... all in "it", together. I saw a post earlier of PDB from "Susie" at 13:04 today and I quote
"For both dogs there is no offspring listed on PDB or elsewhere ( at least I wasn´t able to find any ). That said we are talking about a 6 year old male and a young coated male, who were not used as studs much or not at all. The new owner will not make "big money" with them, no Uran, no Zamp, just normal males."
She states she checked the PDB and these were just "Normal" males . Looks like she checked for progeny but never bother to check the perigree's since she states they are not "BIG MONEY" males because they don't have Uran , or Zamp. For your information "Susie" from PDB if you bothered to check Dante is a direct grandson of Zamp and a well known Internationally campaigned show dog, just like Zamp. He has been shown and won in four countries. He is number #5 LC Male in the World at the BSZS World Show in Germany. No "BIG MONEY"? PLEASE! The dog just turned 3 in January and has been shown and Internationally campaigned so he obviously would not have any progeny. Unless he was sitting at home in his crate making puppies and barely surviving like the media has portrayed. I for one am outraged. Dont even get me started on Embroh. : (
Yesterday 09:33 PM
BowWowMeow The attorney general is definitely the one who needs to be notified. You would also do well to find a good investigative reporter to dig into this (and be aware that no one is going to come out smelling like roses).

I'm confused about one thing: Have the owners not joined together to file a civil suit to get their dogs back?
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