|Yesterday 08:57 PM|
My intact male shows more interest in neutered male urine as opposed to a spayed female. Its disturbing to the human eye (as he not only licks the disposed urine but will lick their genitalia all day if I let him) but shows how much altering an animal changes their bodily functions.
I dont feel neutering will significantly help this situation as its already a well established behavior. It may help you in re focusing him but the problem will still need to be worked through. I would consult a behaviorist because the wrong advice could be given and one of the parties involved can be hurt or exacerbate the situation. In teaching my dog to leave the other dogs alone, I used my body to block him, then redirect once i've broken his focus on the dog he was victimizing (I know, humanizing ). Now, just a simple leave it from across the room will do. But not knowing your dog or the situation, I can't give you appropriate advice. If he is possessive over her, shows any resource guarding type behavior, or if their is conflict with your leadership, physically blocking his access to her can result in a serious conflict with him possibly seeing you as a threat or redirecting his aggression to the thing (you) blocking "his" female.
Normally, I wouldn't think sniffing/licking urine would be a big deal, but wherever an OCD behavior begins to arise there is a problem and something needs to be done about it. My advice, get someone qualified in there to witness this behavior, access it and work out a solution.
|Yesterday 11:36 AM|
|my boy diesel||
neutering in and of itself may not solve the issue but it will help get to the dog underneath all the hormones once those are gone
i mean you dont just neuter a dog and not train it also and try to break the ocd behavior
|Yesterday 08:43 AM|
|Liesje||I'm not convinced neutering will solve the issue. It may help (won't hurt), but at this point it sounds more like an obsession that he's developed. Being intact may have initially caused him to show interest in her urine. My intact male also will smell/lick female urine and do the teeth chattering, especially if the female is in heat (then he will drool). Interestingly, I have an older neutered male dog that was neutered very young, does not act "male" at all, even looks female, and my intact male often shows his urine the same interest as he would a female. But it sounds more like your dog has become obsessed with the whole bathroom routine and the female urine is now incidental. Neutering probably would have helped more much earlier on, but if you want to do it I don't think it would hurt (other than the slight risk of complications).|
|Yesterday 07:32 AM|
|KaiserandStella||I don't think this is a problem solely because he is un-neuterd. I think being intact is giving him more gull/drive to dominate her, control the routine, and obsess but it's not the route cause. Just a contributing factor. Neutering alone may or may not knock him down a peg. Keep in mind un-neutered dogs behave in this manner too. Especially if they have been getting away with it for a long time prior to being neutered. You can try neutering first or tackle the underlining behavioral issue with increased leadership, strict, serious, and consistent training plus an added healthy outlet for his obsessive tendencies.|
|03-10-2014 03:22 PM|
|03-10-2014 03:21 PM|
|my boy diesel||
If it helps make him easier to train or removes any underlying distraction then it would be worth it,
and this would be the result
without the testosterone in the picture you can get him to focus on you much more easily and quickly
expect that it will take up to 3 months to see a huge difference but within weeks he will be less focused on her
|03-10-2014 03:03 PM|
Have you considered taking your female to the vet to make sure your male doesn't smell anything that could be wrong with her? A male dog should not have such a sexual interest in a non-estrus female.
Curious about your thoughts on this.
|03-10-2014 02:32 PM|
|Bob_McBob||I feel like I'm throwing him under the bus painting a picture of some kind of violently aggressive sex maniac every time I reply to the thread. The two of them are happily sleeping beside each other by my feet right now.|
|03-10-2014 01:50 PM|
I've been doing pretty much what you said for a week or so now. He's leashed all the time, and he spends time in the crate. We're doing about 1 1/2 hours of training and exercise every day, both on and off leash, working on his recall and voice commands. I'm starting to get an idea of what works and what doesn't, and for him that pretty much revolves around toys, because he has very little interest in treats. There are definitely some fundamental problems I need to work out with him, because I rarely feel like his focus is on me. He does the task for the toy reward or to get where he wants. Even when we're doing loose leash training and he's behaving properly, his focus is on the walk, not on following me. When there's something more interesting, he doesn't listen to me (e.g. urine licking requires physical intervention). At home, the female is even more important than the toy, so it's a lost cause trying to train him through correcting the behaviour as it happens. I'd definitely appreciate some pointers on how to work the "leave it" command.
I can definitely see some improvement. There are fewer major incidents between them, but it's hard to tell if that's through better management or better training. It is pretty miserable at home right now unless he's physically separated from the female, and even then he's constantly listening for her footsteps and whether she's going outside.
This is going to take a lot of work. I am doing NILIF for basically everything like you suggested. He spent most of his first year with his previous owner doing what he pleased without any kind of formal training, and it's pretty obvious that didn't work out too well.
This morning he was wandering around the kitchen air humping with fluid leaking from his penis. Male dogs are lovely
|03-07-2014 10:38 PM|
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