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02-15-2014 11:11 AM
TheJakel To caveat off of Frank;

I received and email yesterday from my club president through the USCA that stick hits will remain. The explanation from the FCI was that stick hits will be removed from international Competition so that countries that don't allow stick hits or gun shots will still be able to compete but that individual bodies can keep the stick hits.

It was that USCAs opinion that Schutzhund is still breed test and not just a sport.
I can copy and paste the email if you everyone would like.
02-08-2014 04:19 AM
volcano I wouldnt overplay this. To me shutz titles are just a minimum guideline, it really doesnt mean much. If they take some hits out of the test then it wont matter, if you see a dog in person youll be able to tell if its a good dog. If you really think that stick represents danger to the dog then see it get hit with a stick outside the competition. Stick hits IMO are irrelevant as its a very weak attempt at aggression towards the dog. Id think flipping the dog and attacking it aggressively/smothering/choking would be a true test but im clueless. The stick hits were a formality that looked like abuse to dog lovers but really wasnt any test at all. Its mean, but for stick hits to be a test youd have to beat the dog hard with the stick, otherwise its just some fake test anyways.

I do get where some are coming from, titles used to mean something. But now you just have to do more research on hte individual dogs. With the internet the good dogs should have some vids and stuff to show off at least. titles arent worth much.
02-07-2014 03:40 PM
hunterisgreat
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Originally Posted by cliffson1 View Post
In other words, for Europe and SV, the inability to tolerate stick hits is a disqualifying feature of passing an IPO 1, which is a necessary requirement for a German Shepherd to be breed worthy. Just like having certified hips is necessary to be breed worthy. So it's laughable for a dog to be excellent minus the ability to tolerate stick hits. It's like saying the dog is excellent, though the dog is dysplastic ( for breeding). Therefore, if the European powers are going to move the bar to allow dogs like this to be bred, then there is really no reason to look at titles as a requisite for breeding.
I'm starting a new sport. Since Schutzhund gave way to IPO, I'm starting Schutzhund back up with oldschool rules, and start awarding Schutzhund titles again.
02-07-2014 03:37 PM
cliffson1 In other words, for Europe and SV, the inability to tolerate stick hits is a disqualifying feature of passing an IPO 1, which is a necessary requirement for a German Shepherd to be breed worthy. Just like having certified hips is necessary to be breed worthy. So it's laughable for a dog to be excellent minus the ability to tolerate stick hits. It's like saying the dog is excellent, though the dog is dysplastic ( for breeding). Therefore, if the European powers are going to move the bar to allow dogs like this to be bred, then there is really no reason to look at titles as a requisite for breeding.
02-07-2014 08:49 AM
cliffson1 Oxymoron: if you have an excellent dog( Meaning German Shepherd) that can't take stick hits....lol...makes no sense to me whatsoever.
02-07-2014 05:08 AM
björn Is it likely it will be voted out in 2017, and was there no vote on the issue of stickhits in this years championship, a few people just decided this? Which countries don´t allows stickhits in EU, switzerland I think but isn´t that the only one?
02-06-2014 08:18 PM
Smithie86 Frank,

Thanks! You know me, I am a stickler for documentation!
02-06-2014 05:51 PM
Baillif There is always ringsports ya know...
02-06-2014 05:12 PM
onyx'girl so boycott the event...US can show their distaste by not participating.
02-06-2014 11:12 AM
schh3fh2
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Originally Posted by Smithie86 View Post
Frank,

Thank you for the update.

What we heard this AM from a few FCI judges in Europe was that is has been and was being discussed (the note about the 2017, since it has to be done a few years in advance), but nothing official had been decided and they had not received anything in writing.
Hi Sue

yeah that is what i was told also...It is being "discussed" for the 2017 rules. That would require a vote to be implemented and of course USCA could (and I believe will) have a variance to that rule if it passes....


as for FCI World Championships? It is now announced on the Event FB page...

ABOUT "THE STICK PRESSURE TEST"
Because we have over 10,000 followers, and several are from another country,
I write this in English,
Regarding "the stick pressure test in IPO"
result of the FCI working dog commission:
The stick comes i...n FCI 2014 World Cup, only to be used as a threat, no dogs will be hit by the stick.
This is NOT for other IPO trails, ONLY in FCI IPO World Championship
Note, this is not a decision that Sweden has taken, this is a decision from FCI WDK.



Frank
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