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02-09-2014 08:15 PM
Sri I am looking for a harness for Frodo myself. Simply because I've seen that having the leash clip on the back prevents the leash from tangling with the legs when training with a long line.

Would you recommend this?

Leather Canine Harness for Attack Training and Walking Large/Medium Breed Dogs [H1###1073 Leather Attack Training Dog Harness] - $54.90 : Dog harness , Dog collar , Dog leash , Dog muzzle - Dog training equipment from Trusted Direct Source - Home, Do

I kind of am leaning towards the the comfort flex mentioned in the article. Is it really non- restrictive?
02-09-2014 08:47 AM
that is why they are no pull -- they hobble
Good one Carmen! Made for a good laugh this morning!

Sorry back to what everyone was discussing..
02-07-2014 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by Cassidy's Mom View Post
Clean Run ships to Canada: Clean Run: ComfortFlex Sport Harness
Thank you!!
02-05-2014 06:02 AM
Harry and Lola
Originally Posted by boomer11 View Post
wait weren't you the one that said you used one for your dog even though he doesnt like it and tries to get it off?? and you'll continue using it even though your dog is like advanced obedience trained or whatever??
NO boomer I used a 'canny collar'

I initially tried the easy walker, but hated it.

Used the canny collar today actually for the first time in ages - was lovely
02-04-2014 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Merciel View Post
Use of aversives would aggravate his responses; a prong is totally inappropriate for my situation. I need to do whatever I can to make walks pleasant and non-scary. So Pongu's on a no-pull, because it is the best option for us.
Yes, I think the no-pull harness makes sense in your case. Actually it makes sense in a lot of cases. In my area it seems to be the go-to solution for dogs who pull, I guess because people perceive it to be "humane" or "gentle". But if it causes structural/gait problems, well, there's that. In that sense a prong would be a good alternative for the average to bullheaded dog, if the public can get over the barbaric looks of it. Or the headcollar, even.

I've just noticed a correlation in my area between no-pull harnesses and untrained dogs. I guess some folks figure that as long as they have the harness, they don't *need* to train the dog, right?
02-04-2014 09:13 PM
Chicagocanine Generally the most non restrictive harnesses are the type I call a Y style harness. Any harness that has a strap going across the chest at all can restricts shoulder movement and affect the dog's movement/gait. Something like this where there is freedom of movement in the legs/shoulders and no straps going across or getting in the way of the shoulder movement is what I would call a non-restrictive harness:

02-04-2014 07:52 PM
Originally Posted by Harry and Lola View Post
I bought an easy walker harness for Harry when I was having trouble with his pulling. I didn't like it at all, sat way too low (exactly like in the picture) so I put it on upside down, ie the black strap which is suppose to be under the belly was now on top, this seem to let the front strap fit higher to where a check chain would. However, it sits in the box of other useless stuff I have bought over the years and wouldn't recommend it at all. In terms of gait, I have not noticed a difference here, Harry has a fantastic gait so it wasn't detrimental in that regard, but in all honesty I didn't use it long enough. Also, I don't run, so it was only every used for walking.
wait weren't you the one that said you used one for your dog even though he doesnt like it and tries to get it off?? and you'll continue using it even though your dog is like advanced obedience trained or whatever??
02-04-2014 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
I don't mean to pick on you but...can someone elaborate? At what point is a tool "overused" or "abused"? What about flat collars? What is the standard to which we're holding dog owners here?
That I cannot tell you. However, there are people out there that believe a simple flat collar is harmful. When used on a dog that hasn't been trained it can cause issues. So again...

Anyway, I was just trying to get the point across that tools are useful in teaching desired behaviors... if you are using them properly and putting forth the effort and training, eventually the ultimate goal is to have a dog that does not need the initial tool... I'd not say this dog should be walked off leash, but when walking on leash on a flat collar the dog isn't pulling and causing pressure to its neck... make sense?

The article seemed to be an attack against a harness that is used as a tool in teaching a dog to walk. I've seen articles that attack pretty much every devise out there (yes, again, even the flat collar)... so I'm interested in the problems it 'could' cause, but I'm not going to freak out and think it's a harmful tool in and of itself! Just like I don't think a prong collar is harmful in and of itself
02-04-2014 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
At what point is a tool "overused" or "abused"?
Boy, there's a massive can of worms.

Next you'll want to know what the definition is of a "responsible breeder" or a "good rescue" or a "well-trained dog."

Me, I'm just gonna duck quietly out of this thread and to the less contentious world of actual litigation.
02-04-2014 05:29 PM
Muskeg Sled dogs can actually have a lot of trouble with the harness. Many have lower back issues as they get older, and I see many running very crooked in harness- crabbing severely- due to the constant awkward pulling.

Harness fit is important and can be done right, but mushers with 50 dogs are generally not that careful with harness fit. Most just use an X-back and forget about it.
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