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02-05-2014 09:08 PM
Xeph, I suppose I was thinking the angle of the slope of the back when I said extreme
Perhaps, but that's not the part to look at, beyond checking to see if the back is straight
02-05-2014 08:56 PM
selzer Xeph, I suppose I was thinking the angle of the slope of the back when I said extreme, because I have seen some really extreme slopes out there. This one does not seem extreme. He is angulated, yes.

As for the chest shoulder area, one of the biggest conformation flaws in the breed today is lack of angulation in the front. I would also like to see the dog move.
02-05-2014 08:44 PM
And, this dog is in no way extreme when it comes to angulation.
I actually disagree. Admittedly to my eye he would not *seem* extreme (because I am used to it), though he is. His leg could be pulled back a bit further and the hock would still remain perpendicular to the ground.

He has a very long upper thigh. The bones of upper and lower thigh look to match very nicely, but the dog does have quite a bit of rear angulation. This is a dog I'd like to see move, personally.
02-05-2014 08:39 PM
Xeph And of course, I find this dog quite nice looking. I don't think he lacks stop...the breed isn't supposed to have a ton. The roman nose bugs me a bit, but not the stop. Would certainly like to see his head from the front.
02-05-2014 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by LokiTheLady View Post

I see what you are saying about the dog's front, it's odd looking to me too. Something about the elbow, shoulder and chest looks disproportionate. I think the dog is a little heavy and is carrying his extra weight in the chest.
02-05-2014 06:08 PM
Castlemaid I don't like the head of this dog much. Seems like not enough stop, and roman nose to boot -
02-05-2014 05:18 PM
selzer And, this dog is in no way extreme when it comes to angulation. If he was standing normally or trotting his back would have even less slope. Even the working line dogs will have some slope in a stacked position like this. If they did not, when they trot or stand normally, their butt would be over their withers, and very incorrect.
02-05-2014 04:48 PM
martemchik Yeah that's a patterned sable...

OP, not sure how you can tell the health of a dog from a picture, but ANGULATION of joints has nothing to do with the health of those joints. They can be a different/extreme angles and fit perfectly into their sockets and therefore you can have a perfectly healthy dog (in regards to hip/elbows).

This is a very very common misconception when looking at American show lines and I guess to some extent the English lines. People believe that because the dogs are angulated the way they are, their hips are bad. It's actually got less to do with the hips and more to do with the joints on the leg.
02-05-2014 04:36 PM
selzer He looks like a patterned sable. I have never had a sable though, so I could be wrong. I like the dog's looks. I guess he could be a black and tan saddle/blanket back, maybe blowing some of that thick coat on him.
02-05-2014 03:09 PM
CelticGlory Very nice dog to me, haven't seen that coat pattern/color before. What would you consider this pattern to be?
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