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02-06-2014 10:52 PM
gsdsar
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Originally Posted by The Duck View Post
I really get nervous when people want a Mastiff. They think they are cuddley lazy, big, teddy bears. And they can be! But in the wrong owner's hands or irresponsible breeder's hands it can be a horrible! People don't realize that the "cute little tricks" they a normal size dog do (i.e. playing "paw"), can seriously injury someone or a child. I trained my Mastiff teaching and NOT teaching certain things because I knew how big she would be and that she would interact with children a lot.
I cringe with English Mastiffs. They are an amazing breed. But in my line if work, I see an extraordinary number if very aggressive male Mastiffs. In fact, I have yet to meet a friendly one. Bullmastiffs, yes. Know lots of wonderful Bullmastiffs. I cant think of a single Mastiff that I would call friendly.

And my problem with that us this, they are huge. And no man on earth is going to stop them when they want to get something. Most of the owners swear they loving and friendly at home though.


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02-06-2014 10:43 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
#1 I cringe when someone talks about getting a dog for protection and ask should they get a GSD or a Rotty.

I cringe even more when they are greeted with responses suggesting they get a Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasileiro, Black Russian Terrier, etc.

#2 I cringe whenever people talk about getting a nordic breed when it is clear they have no idea the energy reserves these dogs have and how much exercise is needed to keep them in good mental states...or that they don't realize that when these breeds were being developed the people who were using them for sled dogs let them run wild and fend for themselves all summer long, not feeding them. The sled dogs all have a very serious prey drive aimed at any small animal, making them very likely to view the neighbor's cat as a snack.

#3 I cringe when I hear people talking about getting a flock guardian as they tend to not realize that these dogs were designed basically to be roving mine fields that explode on whatever threat came at the flock, be it a wolf, bear, or human out to steal some sheep. Some few such as the Great Pyrenees have been bred here in the west as a companion animal so that this trait isn't as strong, but conversely some of the breeds that were previously behind the Iron Curtain actually had this self-directed aggressive nature TOWARD HUMANS cultivated. (Why fence in the Gulag when you can just have some Caucasian Shepherds wandering around. Biting the face off anyone who trespasses or tries to escape is a GOOD thing). Even those breeds that weren't cultivated to guard prisons and structures can be very 'dark ages' in their outlook, not well suited to the modern world where mailmen and meter readers and sales people come wandering in but shouldn't be viewed as a threat.
All great points here. So the Great Pyrenees (american Bloodline ) I would assume aren't the old school guys so more people friendly?

And yeah a GSD or Rotty is a much better choice in the hands of at least a half way responsible newbie, those other dogs wow..just wow!
02-06-2014 10:30 PM
Chip18
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I worry about Akitas and Chows, I have seen them at shows, but it is was the blue heelers that were really nasty little things that would bite anything.

And when you think about it, their thing is to move cattle -- 1500 - 2200 pound beasts that will kick and plunge and maul. They have to have a ton of courage, persistence and power. They move by nipping, biting at the heels of the cattle.

I really worry people might not know what they are getting into with them.
Yep "they" pretty much don't!

Those seem to be two breeds that constantly wind up in the worst hands! I always feel bad cause my "A"hole Chow "collecting" neighbor had a puppy that escaped into my yard. He asked if I wanted to keep it and I said no. I kinda hate Chows, he kept it and it grew into the kind of Chow that I hate of course.

I could have kept that from happening to at least that one dog, I could have fostered the pup or took him to a rescue both things I have done in the past, that's how I got my GSD, just get him away from where he was!

And of course that same neighbor had herder dogs! Same deal one got into my yard..actually kinda popped into site between the fence boards!

This time he said...this dogs going to the pound! I stepped up did foster thing trained and placed!
I hated herders because I thought they were all A holes...of course it's the owners. Molly (we renamed her) was of course brilliant and just needed a real home and owner that cared!

We actually wanted to keep her but while still available, a 13 year old saw her and fell in love with her. I guess I did the training job to well and off she went to a new home!

I should have given the puppy Chow the same chance...
02-06-2014 08:18 AM
NormanF
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Originally Posted by The Duck View Post
I really get nervous when people want a Mastiff. They think they are cuddley lazy, big, teddy bears. And they can be! But in the wrong owner's hands or irresponsible breeder's hands it can be a horrible! People don't realize that the "cute little tricks" they a normal size dog do (i.e. playing "paw"), can seriously injury someone or a child. I trained my Mastiff teaching and NOT teaching certain things because I knew how big she would be and that she would interact with children a lot.
They can be gentle giants but the dog has to be trained to know what to do and what not to do. And if people aren't prepared to assume that responsibility, owning a dog may be too much for them.
02-05-2014 07:23 PM
The Duck I really get nervous when people want a Mastiff. They think they are cuddley lazy, big, teddy bears. And they can be! But in the wrong owner's hands or irresponsible breeder's hands it can be a horrible! People don't realize that the "cute little tricks" they a normal size dog do (i.e. playing "paw"), can seriously injury someone or a child. I trained my Mastiff teaching and NOT teaching certain things because I knew how big she would be and that she would interact with children a lot.
02-05-2014 06:45 PM
Wanderer #1 I cringe when someone talks about getting a dog for protection and ask should they get a GSD or a Rotty.

I cringe even more when they are greeted with responses suggesting they get a Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasileiro, Black Russian Terrier, etc.

#2 I cringe whenever people talk about getting a nordic breed when it is clear they have no idea the energy reserves these dogs have and how much exercise is needed to keep them in good mental states...or that they don't realize that when these breeds were being developed the people who were using them for sled dogs let them run wild and fend for themselves all summer long, not feeding them. The sled dogs all have a very serious prey drive aimed at any small animal, making them very likely to view the neighbor's cat as a snack.

#3 I cringe when I hear people talking about getting a flock guardian as they tend to not realize that these dogs were designed basically to be roving mine fields that explode on whatever threat came at the flock, be it a wolf, bear, or human out to steal some sheep. Some few such as the Great Pyrenees have been bred here in the west as a companion animal so that this trait isn't as strong, but conversely some of the breeds that were previously behind the Iron Curtain actually had this self-directed aggressive nature TOWARD HUMANS cultivated. (Why fence in the Gulag when you can just have some Caucasian Shepherds wandering around. Biting the face off anyone who trespasses or tries to escape is a GOOD thing). Even those breeds that weren't cultivated to guard prisons and structures can be very 'dark ages' in their outlook, not well suited to the modern world where mailmen and meter readers and sales people come wandering in but shouldn't be viewed as a threat.
02-05-2014 06:01 PM
selzer In all the dog classes I have ever gone to, expect for the nutty little terriers, the only dogs that made me really concerned were the blue heelers. And I have trained with pits and rotties and dobes. I worry about Akitas and Chows, I have seen them at shows, but it is was the blue heelers that were really nasty little things that would bite anything.

And when you think about it, their thing is to move cattle -- 1500 - 2200 pound beasts that will kick and plunge and maul. They have to have a ton of courage, persistence and power. They move by nipping, biting at the heels of the cattle.

I really worry people might not know what they are getting into with them.
02-05-2014 05:55 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by CelticGlory View Post
Canis Panthers!
Yep never hear of that term before but there they were on dog breed info center! Looks like Gunther's dad! But he was 50/50 APBT/BUll MASTIFF and APBT red, gorgeous dog and super friendly, despite his big giant spiked collar! Mom on the other hand...looked like a yellow lab on steroids with an attitude!

Not really sure how Gunther came about being a Tri Color a throw back from mom somewhere along the lines I guess?
02-05-2014 02:48 PM
RubyTuesday Both of my Huskies were as loyal as any of my other dogs which have included Irish Wolfhounds, German Shepherds, 100% mutt (no telling what she was) & Toy Poodle/Mini Schnauzer crosses. Cochise, my male Sibe, was probably the most loyal dog I've known both to myself & to his pack, both canine & human. It wasn't obvious. He didn't wear his heart on his paw, but his loyalty was both deep & true. I'm sure that was in part b/c we were incredibly bonded. Another factor was the enormous pride he took in being pack leader. I've never had another dog of any breed that was the leader that he was.

As much as I adored Cochise I doubt I'll have another Husky but that's b/c I wanted a more *ahem*biddable breed, a breed that is reliable off lead. While my Huskies were loyal, & quasi trainable, obedience was little more than a collection of cute tricks. It just wasn't their schtick. I think they felt it was more important that *I* be properly trained.

They weren't aloof & gave the appearance of loving everyone equally but in reality Cochise was as deeply committed to me as I was to him. Ruby clearly never quit missing her original owner who I never succeeded in finding although I searched for months. (A sad but all too typical Husky fate).
02-04-2014 10:47 PM
IllinoisNative
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No, they're as loyal as any breed, but fiercely independent & disinclined to obedience. Loyalty comes largely on their terms. A Husky will never be a spaniel.
See, I see it differently. I have a chow mix. A chow is loyal but independent. An Akita is loyal but independent. Husky? Well, they are independent. But loyalty is probably last on the list of character traits. I wouldn't put a husky in that category. They are not a loyal breed.

They are probably one of the least loyal dogs out there, IMO. It's also why I adore German Shepherds. Loyalty is a BIG character trait for me in what I want out of a dog. And it's why I will never own a husky again. Ever. And in case anyone is confused. Ever. LOL

They sure are beautiful, though.
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