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02-02-2014 04:19 PM
GSDolch I have four children, when there are other kids involved I have ALWAYS asked for permission to let the other children do something. Even if it has been done before. I expect the same in return.

Children don't always give all the details, they can be sneaky, and also their attention spans aren't very long. Their thinking processes also leaves something to be desired.

My son is 13, (he is also high functioning aspie) we were getting ready to some someplace nice. He went outside, which was fine as long as he didn't get dirty. The neighbor boy and his dad came outside with water guns and gave my son one to play with. He didn't think about it of course and joined in. Needless to say I was pretty mad.

I'd probably be mad about both the mud and the rough play (more so the rough play, maybe the mud depending on what we had going on) and the fact that you did not ask for the OK from the parents first. (granted I wouldn't let my child in that situation.)

Your dog five months ago and your dog now (and in between) isn't always the same dog. I don't mean that your dog would hurt the boy, but if you allow rough play like that then the chances of an accident happening just keep getting better and better.
02-02-2014 01:50 PM
Sunflowers If the dad was only participating in the playing 5 months ago, he was playing with a different dog. A 12 week old GSD is a world away from an 8 month old.

It might be time for Timmy to do some other activity with Hoby that is more appropriate, now that the dog is quickly turning into a powerful adult. He may like to get on YouTube and learn how to teach your dog some very nifty tricks.

Win-win all around.
02-02-2014 01:40 PM
Times have changed

Thank you all for your responses, thoughts and advise. I guess some times one can get tunnel vision when feeling offended, so I thought I would bring it here. People with good intentions and knowledge can help one sort things out. Hoby is 8 months old. Timmy has known Hoby for over 5 of those months. At the beginning I stayed with Tim and his Dad to supervise. All went well. I would watch Tim and Hoby play through the back windows of my house and go out frequently to check on them. The play was active but no pushing or knocking down ever happened. That would have been an instant game over. Mud flies all over the place when over a frosted base and the ensuing play magnified it. Timmy took my instructions very well and by the way was never locked in the pen. He was taught how to let himself out and to keep the dog in; just let me know when you leave. Cell phones were also in use. His family is across the street and they can see my pen. I do agree that perhaps as Timmy matures and the nice puppy turns into an adult the relationship will probably fizzle. I like the idea of a group walk. I have known the Mom's family for years and they had dogs. Perhaps the risk does out way the good intentions. In all my years of dog ownership and training I have never had a mishap with a child, but I guess there is always a first time. I think I will pop over when I see the Dads mud free car on a dry day. The Berkshires of Massachusetts is my location [I guess being a British Sports Car nut all my life came through] where my home is backed up to a forest......By the way when I was 12 I use to take care of dogs as a part time job regardless of the weather conditions. People were away for a day, days or a week. I loved doing it. I was given keys to homes and instructions for care. My K9 clients were 2 standard French Poodles, a Siberian Husky, a GSD and a miniature poodle. All in different homes. Never had a problem with the dogs or the people. I guess times have really changed.
02-02-2014 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by carmspack View Post
would you let your kid go over to a neighbours' by themselves with no other children accompanying your child , and no children at the house to visit. distance requiring a car ride . Just this .

then to add to it , to be "locked" into a pen with a wild play session with an adult dog , that is not responsive to controls by the child .

a bit Christians to the Lions .
I used to play with the neighbor's husky all the time when I was 12. I would just walk over to their yard even if they weren't home. It was just sort of understood that dogs jump and nip and scratch sometimes. It's up to the parents and dog owner to set boundaries for everyone and clearly there was not enough communication in the OP's situation.

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02-02-2014 12:35 PM
Gwenhwyfair OP means well but I'm with Carmen. Not a good idea and not something I'd ever permit.

If dad gets mad over mud, imagine what would happen over a little scratch?

Even though my dogs are kid friendly, I don't even let them pet my dogs any longer. One of the neighborhood kids wanted to pet our sweet little Aussie. I said O.K. Little girl (who has a boxer at home & had petted Autumn before) petted Autumn's head, Autumn gently licked her hand, little girl SCREECHED like she'd been attacked by a lion and ran away at top speed. Poor little Autumn tried to take off in the opposite direction thinking 'lion attack' as well I'm sure (I had her on leash).

Anyhoo, that day I decided no more kids allowed to mess with my dogs in any way. Period, end of story. It's just not worth the aggravation and possible misunderstanding with unpredictable bizzarro kid behavior not to mention kid's parents.
02-02-2014 12:08 PM
carmspack what is the fixation on the mud?
what it did do is reveal what KIND of play there is , a lot of physical contact , jumping , pushing, knocking down.

you do NOT leave a dog alone with a CHILD .

this is such poor judgement on all parties - father, and dog owner .
02-02-2014 11:52 AM
Msmaria I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but maybe the father was going to take the boy somewhere and was a little upset he was covered in dirt. It could be just as simple as talking to the parents and finding out what would be acceptable as far as play on what days.if he's come over before and gotten muddy I'm sure at least one of the parents is aware of it and it didnt stop them from letting him come over then.
02-02-2014 11:07 AM
cwmia I agree with Carmen 100%.

I never allowed rough housing, period. Dogs and kids get stronger, bigger and don't always think first. Things get out of hand fast when you are present never mind when you're not there to supervise. I had a very serious female (with a serious bark) and with a swimming pool and a skating rink we were the house kids came to all of the time. I wouldn't dream of leaving her out alone with the kids. Too much liability. I would never risk people or dogs getting injured...not necessary. Dogs loved the kids and kids loved the dogs, parents were mostly unsure and some afraid, some not. All these years and many dogs later I have never compromised on those two rules and it has served us all well.

02-02-2014 10:01 AM
KathrynApril I would of probably looked at him and said. "Train the dog to do what? Heat the mud up with a hair dryer before he plays in his pen? Or maybe learn how to stop it from raining so as not to get muddy?" So sorry for your dog & the boy.
02-02-2014 09:11 AM
MichaelE OMG, mud. It must be the end of the world.
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