|02-12-2014 03:22 PM|
I'm troubled that people are advocating "doing what needs to be done" for a 6 month old puppy. I know very thoughtful, caring pet owners that have put their old or very sick dogs down with a bullet to the head, because they believed this was the best thing for the dog (no vet visit, take the dog to his favorite place in the woods). It is not always a quick or easy death for the dog, and can be extremely traumatizing emotionally.
People reading this on the internet may not understand the difference between a dog that is wired wrong and going after people aggressively, and a 6-month old puppy that nips a child's mitten in play/herding mode. It is never, ever, a good idea to advocate for killing dogs with behavior problems without first seeing the dog.
I understand the dog in question sounds like she has a screw loose and most likely is unfixable, but there are plenty of perfectly sound GSDs that may accidentally or playfully bite someone when they are six-month old puppies. The vast majority can be "fixed" easily, or may not even need fixing.
Please think carefully before advocating for a "quiet country lane shot in the head" for a six month old GSD that is biting inappropriately. I'm very sorry the OP is going through this, her dog sounds like a head case (not having seen her, I can't know for sure) but more than just the OP reads this thread.
|02-12-2014 02:29 PM|
I can see the author of the thread, who apparently is in distress, hasn't contributed in about a week. Who knows what is going on...
From what she reported it would seem that she has a dog of week nerve and poor temperament who appears to be a menace to owner and stranger alike. It happens that there are genetically flawed dogs that sometimes must be dispatched and this APPEARS to be the case.
So, the owner who appears to be caring, responsible and intelligent brings her dog to a vet to be euthanized. The vet does not do what he has been hired to do. Meanwhile the owner is still RESPONSIBLE for any damages this dog may inflict.
I would recommend that if the vet refuses to do what he was hired to do, that he he purchase the dog for 1$ with a bill of sale and that ALL records show the change in ownership- RSPCA/pound responsible for tags, CKC, vet file, microchip agency etc.
I believe this vet is putting the owner into a very precarious position at a time when she is emotionally troubled by having to do the responsible thing with this violent and aggressive k9.
From these accounts by UBCTRESS, what kind of placement could the "rescue group" find that would be better? Unlikely...
UBCTRESS, this dog is your property. Unless you have a clause in your contract with the breeder that she has first right of refusal and has not exercised it, you are entitled to do what you may lawfully see fit to do. A family with a farming background need not have much more explained to them.
|02-12-2014 10:24 AM|
Yeah, and just to clarify, one needs to consider the totality of the whole situation. I don't discount the fact there can be 'bad' dogs. If that is truly the case, one must do what they have to do.
Back to my mention of 'stern correction', doing so is totally out of place if other tenants are not accounted for. The best way to start off with a pup is developing a trusting bond then good socialization. Once that bond and trust is established it will not be broken IF serious correction is called for. JMHO of course.
I was at a relative's house years ago, with my dog. The guy asked me, 'where do I get a dog like that'? I said, 'you don't get a dog like that' anywhere. I mentioned a few things about socialization, bonding, and training.
|02-12-2014 08:35 AM|
"They've found a GSD rescue organization that has extensive experience with her siblings. This MO is not unusual for her bloodlines and I guess my story isn't the first or last. I'm angry - so angry - that someone could run a breeding kennel in this manner. "
That is absolutely horrible . No blame to you .
Let the vet know where you got the dog from so that they can start tracking other clients with dogs from the same place and possibly the same problem . That will take the breeder off the vet's list of recommended breeders.
|02-12-2014 07:35 AM|
I think there is no chance that corrections are going to change this dog.
I think you should have the dog evaluated by a professional. The thing that stands out is the comment about you seeing the aggression in the dogs eyes. It sounds like a chemical imbalance causing aggression. IMO, there is nothing you can do but put the dog down if that is the case.
Without seeing that dog, I can't tell. I'm just saying that it sounds like the dog is wired wrong. I hope you keep yourself safe, and find someone to realistically evaluate the dog.
|02-12-2014 06:52 AM|
|JeanKBBMMMAAN||There is a genetic component to this dog's behavior that no thrashing will take care of (not advocating a thrashing for any other dog either - but not this dog in particular).|
|02-12-2014 06:40 AM|
This seems to be a common occurrence here, higher than acceptable displays of aggression. This is especially troubling when it's directed at the owner or family members. It's all the more serious when it could lead to the dog getting 'put down'.
I've been away from the shepherd breed for a while, just got back in, but have been around dogs going on 40+ years. I see 2 important issues to prevent this. The 1st being proper & varied socialization. The 2nd, more important item is a FIRM correction when called for. I have a dog training book written back in the 60's or earlier. The author mentions the few times when a dog deserves a "thrashing", in correct context. I realize some don't want to think about that, then I wonder how many dogs were put down that didn't need to be? Sometimes trading out a chew toy for your fingers isn't enough.
He goes on to say, this 'thrashing', done once or twice, is all it takes, compared to a dozen 'half measures'. Of course it takes the rest of the training & exercise program to be in place also.
It's good to have more than one method in your bag of tricks.
|02-07-2014 03:30 PM|
No Vet Needed.
I am utterly and completely sympathetic for you and your dog.
But I will say one thing...and I hope I don't offend you. If any dog I owned ever bit me with intent to injure I wouldn't need any vet's help putting the dog down. That would go double for any dog I owned biting a child.
There's plenty of open quiet country lanes around here in Texas.
|02-07-2014 11:12 AM|
I have no experience in this matter. But I wanted to let you know how sorry I am for you and your dog. Please dont beat yourself up. It sounds like you have tried really hard with your dog.
Did the vet do any bloodwork testing?
|02-07-2014 10:48 AM|
She can not "outgrow it", but I think she can be taught (disciplined) not to do it... she is just six months old, she is testing the waters. You have to correct any unwanted behavior, growling and biting is not allowed. Be clear about it when she is still young. If necessary, put a muzzle on her when she is around people. Cathegorically say "no" each time she does an unwanted thing. Did you check her eyes and ears, maybe when its dark, she doesn't see???
I think that because she was a shy puppy you allowed her to be a certain way and now it is a problem. You are lucky that you know her past and should be able to correct whatever problem she has. Good Luck!
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