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02-23-2014 09:08 PM
ZoeD1217 My pup is the same way. She is okay with everyone else in the house...Just normal play biting. She is relentless with me. I spend all day with her, play with her, feed her and take her outside etc....but she really tears into me and no amount of toys, chews or redirection seems to help. I put her in the crate for a time out but she still comes out growling and biting. I've seen a million people on here say it's just puppies being puppies so I've been reluctant to post about it. We will be starting puppy classes in a few weeks.... So hopefully that will help us as well.

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02-15-2014 06:59 PM
Chip18 They are not "easy" dogs. I was/am an experienced dog owner and my GSD put me through the ringer!!
02-15-2014 06:17 PM
Mocha If it makes you feel better, my male was absolutely awful. He did everything your girl did and did not care one bit about the repercussions. No meant nothing, time outs were power naps, and toys were less interesting than my hands. I had so many marks on me. My boyfriend never believed me until I showed him my battle scars. However, I kept at it and exercise did WONDERS. I started taking him to play with other dogs and he would be a perfect puppy after. (He didn't and still doesn't seem to care for walks)

And as he got older, he changed completely. I can actually pet and cuddle him now


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02-15-2014 05:23 PM
Chip18 OK forget the cat, control the dog short leash is so you can stop the dog quickly if the need arises. You made it sound like the dogie just went after the cat and bit him!

If they actually want to interact that's a bit different but the same rule would still apply if the cat comes to the dog that's fine but the dog "never" chase the cat, not one paw forward!

If they have been playing chase it's gonna be harder but your doggie needs to know that you are in control and that "no chase' is the rule!
02-15-2014 06:46 AM
njk
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Ok didn't mean to offend, just extra cautious where cats and dogs living together is concerned. As you know you can control the dogs but not the cats! My cats have always been content to sleep with the dogs and head butt them, run to the dogs when the dogs go outside. And greet them but they don't engage in play.

Cats are unpredictable so my policy has always been "not one paw forward" towards the cats ever!
Sorry, I sound a bit abrupt in my reply lol the cat and dog getting along is my primary concern, so I get a bit testy due to my own worries about it. My cat is almost 14 years old, so he's my baby and I get concerned. He provokes Zelda though when he's in a playful mood, so they are just as bad as each other. He runs and jumps on chairs or the couch, and when she runs up all excited and starts barking, the cat starts taking swipes at her. We're concerned about his claws, so he has to be trained in this regard too. The link you gave covered a lot of what the specialist advised though she didn't mention the keeping on a leash when in the same room. I like that idea and think it'll help their training a lot better. At the moment we have a baby gate separating our house in two, so the cat is typically on one side and Zelda on the other, though both sleep in our room at night. When both watch each other through the gate, we take the opportunity to start distracting Zelda and then once we have her attention one of us opens the gate and lets the cat wander in. Persistence though lol we'll get there.
02-15-2014 04:04 AM
Chip18
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She is not, and never has been, "allowed" to bite or chase the cat. They're under constant supervision when together. The dog behaviour specialist has spent time with the two of them together and is not worried. She says their interaction is normal, but obviously consistent intervention needs to be put in place (she told us how to go about getting it through to Zelda). She says there is no aggression, she is trying to play with the cat. When she is calm, she is fine around the cat. He can walk past her and she won't bat an eyelid. When she is playful, she is simply too rough. I have had heaps of cats throughout my life, living alongside pups and dogs, and never had an issue so I'm confident we can nip this in the bud. Thanks for the link, will have a read through.
Ok didn't mean to offend, just extra cautious where cats and dogs living together is concerned. As you know you can control the dogs but not the cats! My cats have always been content to sleep with the dogs and head butt them, run to the dogs when the dogs go outside. And greet them but they don't engage in play.

Cats are unpredictable so my policy has always been "not one paw forward" towards the cats ever!
02-15-2014 03:54 AM
njk She is not, and never has been, "allowed" to bite or chase the cat. They're under constant supervision when together. The dog behaviour specialist has spent time with the two of them together and is not worried. She says their interaction is normal, but obviously consistent intervention needs to be put in place (she told us how to go about getting it through to Zelda). She says there is no aggression, she is trying to play with the cat. When she is calm, she is fine around the cat. He can walk past her and she won't bat an eyelid. When she is playful, she is simply too rough. I have had heaps of cats throughout my life, living alongside pups and dogs, and never had an issue so I'm confident we can nip this in the bud. Thanks for the link, will have a read through.
02-15-2014 01:59 AM
Chip18 Just gonna say the dog should never have been allowed to "bite" the cat???? Dog should not be allowed to chase the cat ever!!! Most likely permanently damaged there relationship?

Leerburg | Introducing Dogs or Puppies into Homes with Cats

If it doesn't stop there is a very high chance that this dog will one day kill your cat! Additionally there is a high probability that if a cat pops out of nowhere on a walk he will ditch you and dash after a cat!

So it's a safety issue for him as well, dogs that have been trained not to chase cats...don't chase cats!

Spoken from a 3 dog 15 cat high point 9 cats today) and 14 years of cat dog experience and not a single cat chase much less a bite incident.

Just saying
02-15-2014 12:13 AM
njk Hi everyone, thanks for your replies.

Wanted to give an update that her biting has improved over the past couple of weeks. I'd say about 70% better. I just started observing her moods more and the times she does still bite (not enough to draw blood - she hasn't done that in awhile) it's usually when she wants to play and I'm walking away or busy with something.

The vet recommended a dog behaviour specialist (she works in the mines but has a background it and helps the local shelter) and she gave us some good advice, and even took Zelda to her house for a couple of days to get some socialization with her dog and pup. She said she's incredibly intelligent, and a very good dog, we just need to learn to communicate with her. We do use a squirt bottle with a mixture of water and vinegar, and give her a quick squirt when she does bite. It makes her hesitate and we then redirect to a toy. She's starting bringing her toys to us now when she wants to play, instead of just running up and biting. She loves playing fetch and brings her ball to me often now, which I love. When she doesn't and is clearly getting hyped up, I just say "ball?" and she runs and finds it. I think we're getting there.

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I can't believe any vet worth their salt would be against crating a dog.

Can you take your dog to training classes? Most GSD's are very bitey for a few weeks, but this sounds like it's pretty extreme.
We just started puppy pre-school last week, which was good, though not big on training. I was worried to see how she'd go with other pups but she was quick to submit to bigger pups (not scared though) and very playful, and a bit dominant, towards the smaller ones. Because we live rural we don't have much in the way of training school but there is a group that comes by a couple times a year. I'm gonna contact them soon and see if they've set a date.
01-29-2014 12:40 PM
Lilie
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The link David provided is a really good one. I highly encourage you to go through it!

Remember, right now your pup thinks you are the BOMB! You are your pup's entire world. There is nothing in life better than you. As a young pup, it just can't stop from flowing over the top every time it wants to engage with you. Biting and barking is how your pup is telling you "Let's Play! Look at me!" That one thing (besides eating, sleeping and pooping) that your pup NEEDS to do.

Your job is to encourage the pup to engage (builds bonds, drives, confidence etc.) but show your pup the proper way to engage with you. When I have a pup that I want to encourage to engage and I want to build drive as well, I use that over the top behavior, I use a hand puppet. A big floppy (childrens) hand puppet.

The puppet allows me more control to re-direct from the legs, face, hair, etc. and back onto the toy. It helps the pup focus on the toy and not on my body parts. I also make sure I have tons of different toys all around the house (where the pup is allowed) that the pup has access to under supervison.

I ALWAYS crate train. For my sanity! When I've had enough, I crate the pup.
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