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01-28-2014 04:47 PM
RubyTuesday Fearless isn't synonymous with fierce. My Djibouti is a generally fearless guy but he's also pleasant with dogs & humans, exceptionally gentle with puppies & children, trustworthy & affable. He's bold, secure & confident which enables him to view the world as a generally safe place.

Despite his aversion to unnecessary confrontation, Cochise was also supremely confident, outgoing & benevolently commanding in social situations. True to his Husky nature he loved everyone at least a little, essentially feared nobody & viewed the world as his personal playground.

Dogs, including GSDs, shouldn't be fierce unless the situation needs it.
01-28-2014 04:35 PM
Msmaria
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Originally Posted by David Taggart View Post
Better not to go into this. Because, someone here would tell you in a minute: "I have American Working line, and my 5 year old always loved kids, cats, never payed attention to chickens, and agressive only to bullies and bulls. He is serious, yet terribly playful, cannot live without a toy. And he is SCARINGLY intelligent" - and here it starts! About lines. I've got my dog from Austria, because I've dremt about GSD from parents working in Police. Lucy surpassed all my expectations, she is scaringly intelligent. But she cannot compete in Schutzhund, EEGSD doesn't have that passion his Western brother has.In this sense, yes, they are "serious" dogs. I feel myself a pensioner with her, despite her vigour and ability to work hard.
LOL Ooops My bad.
01-28-2014 04:32 PM
David Taggart
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This sounds just like my dog...maybe hes the same line (rescue from BYB so I dont know) only that you would have to add serious to this list. hes so serious (except with me) everyone says he has an old soul.
Better not to go into this. Because, someone here would tell you in a minute: "I have American Working line, and my 5 year old always loved kids, cats, never payed attention to chickens, and agressive only to bullies and bulls. He is serious, yet terribly playful, cannot live without a toy. And he is SCARINGLY intelligent" - and here it starts! About lines. I've got my dog from Austria, because I've dremt about GSD from parents working in Police. Lucy surpassed all my expectations, she is scaringly intelligent. But she cannot compete in Schutzhund, EEGSD doesn't have that passion his Western brother has.In this sense, yes, they are "serious" dogs. I feel myself a pensioner with her, despite her vigour and ability to work hard.
01-28-2014 03:58 PM
Msmaria
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Originally Posted by David Taggart View Post
My Lucy is East European line from DDR with straight back legs as your dog. You should read about this line more here:
Adopt and breed a East-European shepherd dog
The Russians insist it is their breed and always was, the Germans say that Soviets simply stole their dogs. A lot of arguments, angry words and bitter tears, seems it stuck in limbo and would go on for a long time, I do not suggest you to go into their forums. One day Germany invited anyone with EEGSD to their shows for evaluation, so far only Czech Republic was fully qualified.
I've heard my Lucy's first bark when she saw a horse in the street for the first time. She had to be trained to bark hearing the front door bell. She was bold with absolutely everything, calm and merry. It took me nothing to train her. Before she became sexually mature. Like with majority of GSD, she changed almost overnight,became agressive and hypo reactive to the things she considered dangerous for me: big dogs and big fit men. She pays special attention to people smelling alcohol, she simply hates it. All of it is ahead of you, prepare, your dog is simply too young. Tail between legs besids submission means that the dog doesn't feel he is one of them. The wolf would do it in front of much smaller in size dogs.
It happens that EEGSD prefer company of small breeds and they don't like big dogs. Lucy was super in the puppy park, then started to bite her mates, and she asks me to leave group of large dogs every time we walk through dog parks. Our family cat is still her best friend.

This sounds just like my dog...maybe hes the same line (rescue from BYB so I dont know) only that you would have to add serious to this list. hes so serious (except with me) everyone says he has an old soul.
01-28-2014 03:42 PM
David Taggart
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He is not aggressive at all.
My Lucy is East European line from DDR with straight back legs as your dog. You should read about this line more here:
Adopt and breed a East-European shepherd dog
The Russians insist it is their breed and always was, the Germans say that Soviets simply stole their dogs. A lot of arguments, angry words and bitter tears, seems it stuck in limbo and would go on for a long time, I do not suggest you to go into their forums. One day Germany invited anyone with EEGSD to their shows for evaluation, so far only Czech Republic was fully qualified.
I've heard my Lucy's first bark when she saw a horse in the street for the first time. She had to be trained to bark hearing the front door bell. She was bold with absolutely everything, calm and merry. It took me nothing to train her. Before she became sexually mature. Like with majority of GSD, she changed almost overnight,became agressive and hypo reactive to the things she considered dangerous for me: big dogs and big fit men. She pays special attention to people smelling alcohol, she simply hates it. All of it is ahead of you, prepare, your dog is simply too young. Tail between legs besids submission means that the dog doesn't feel he is one of them. The wolf would do it in front of much smaller in size dogs.
It happens that EEGSD prefer company of small breeds and they don't like big dogs. Lucy was super in the puppy park, then started to bite her mates, and she asks me to leave group of large dogs every time we walk through dog parks. Our family cat is still her best friend.
01-28-2014 02:56 PM
Msmaria
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Originally Posted by Longfisher View Post
I did too until I had a couple of them.

Instead, they're sensitive, intelligent (sometimes too much for their own good), inquisitive, often childlike in their phobias and fears, vocal, reactive, rife with self-preservation, loyal, loving, tender, at times needy, playful, boisterous, tyrannical to some dogs, bossy, obsequious to a fault to get what they want, possessive, playful, indignant...

...much like some humans I' know.

But mostly, they're just plain lovable and a good friend. I'll settle for less ferocity in order to get all that.

LF
01-28-2014 02:50 PM
Longfisher
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Originally Posted by joumon View Post
I thought that GSDs are fearless dogs.
I did too until I had a couple of them.

Instead, they're sensitive, intelligent (sometimes too much for their own good), inquisitive, often childlike in their phobias and fears, vocal, reactive, rife with self-preservation, loyal, loving, tender, at times needy, playful, boisterous, tyrannical to some dogs, bossy, obsequious to a fault to get what they want, possessive, playful, indignant...

...much like some humans I' know.

But mostly, they're just plain lovable and a good friend. I'll settle for less ferocity in order to get all that.

LF
01-27-2014 08:31 PM
RubyTuesday As noted, don't take it personally. It will only cloud your perceptions. And don't be disappointed in your guy. He will read your emotions & could become anxious or less confident.

Appropriate fear or caution is NOT cowardice. Rather, it's a potent survival tool & shouldn't be dismissed. It's especially appropriate that a young, intelligent dog might be uncertain of the situation & behave accordingly.

Yrs back, Cochise, my old Sibe, hated hostile confrontations/fights with strange dogs yet the cunning devil never tucked his tail. He was extraordinarily adept at reading dogs & manipulating logistics so that he stayed well out of reach while assuming an attitude of supreme disdain or indifference. He was 4 when I got him & I suspect that he developed those tactics & wasn't simply born with 'em.

Da Vinci, my Irish Wolfhound, was on his toes & prepared to meet every challenge chest out & ready to rumble. I much preferred Cochise's attitude.
01-27-2014 06:17 PM
onyx'girl I would encourage the confidence, but not the 'aggression'. GSD's naturally carry it and it isn't something that needs to be encouraged. You want a higher threshold balanced dog at maturity and as long as you shape his behavior, train him and encourage his confidence, you'll have a great companion.
Stay out of the dog park.
01-27-2014 06:06 PM
jocoyn Sometimes people see a nice mannered GSD and think little of it because they are used to nervous aggressive dogs. Usually those dogs have less confidence than your own.

I agree the dog parks can be a bad place. You don't want a dog pushing him over the limit. My Grim was deferential around other dogs and was not pushy, but my Beau struts all over the place..not aggressive but cocky. I had less concern with Grim possibly getting into trouble and never doubted he would fight if he had to. But he never had to do so.
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