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01-28-2014 03:20 PM
Baillif Just dont do that in a good pair of pants
01-28-2014 12:34 PM
TexasCrane
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Originally Posted by MadLab View Post
I'm just looking at this for a dog which is yanking on the tug and not giving you a chance to 'let the tug go dead' as is being suggested. How can the tug go dead if the dog is locked on and using all his strength to drag away from you.
You don't "let" the tug go dead. You "make" the tug go dead. Grab the tug un either side of the dog's mouth and clamp it down between your legs if that's what it takes.
01-28-2014 12:02 PM
Blanketback If the dog already knows the "Out" command, is it possible that you've negated it somehow? I'm no expert, but I do know with my own dogs that if I told them to release, and they didn't, then I had to make sure they understood the gamed ended immediately. Others would reinforce this bad habit, by pulling back while saying "drop it" and that confused my dog.

This is from a pet perspective, so please feel free to ignore my post if it goes against working theory. I used the 2 ball technique with this pup without issues.
01-28-2014 09:51 AM
Baillif Yup but in a pinch you can grip closer to the dogs mouth to stop movement too as has been mentioned
01-28-2014 09:47 AM
jocoyn The harder tug helps too. A dog can get a lot of satisfaction chomping on and bending a soft tug.
01-28-2014 09:44 AM
Baillif I usually wait em out. Once you stabilize the tug they generally get bored. If you remember how i teach off for puppy biting and then generalize it for getting him to stop messing with other stuff it helps because off and out sound very similar and hes already sort of primed to give not messing with the tug a try. Its a little trick i use.
01-28-2014 08:59 AM
mycobraracr
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Originally Posted by MadLab View Post
I'm just looking at this for a dog which is yanking on the tug and not giving you a chance to 'let the tug go dead' as is being suggested. How can the tug go dead if the dog is locked on and using all his strength to drag away from you.

I can see how that technique works for many situations. As I said upstream i know this dog that will not give up as he has been winning tug and anything else that enters his mouth since he was a pup.

I'd like to see this dog taught an out with out a correction but I can't see it happening.

The out needs to be between handler and dog. It should not be taught on the decoy. There shouldn't be that much conflict/fight in the game IMO. If the dog is pulling the handler around, why not move to a slick floor or back the dog against a wall even use a bite box so the dog is contained? All I'm trying to say is there are many little tricks (like Nancy's) that can be used before just correcting for it. If you have to correct the out all the time then how are you suppose to out the dog from a distance? e-collar? Don't get me wrong, I do give corrections for outs, just not when teaching it.
01-28-2014 08:21 AM
Baillif
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That is why I was told to hold mine up high . And corrections were involved for not "sitting" which is a known command. Had to out to sit....but had it been done properly from the start, and then maintained......we would not be there.
I like it
01-28-2014 08:20 AM
Baillif Its how ivan and michael do it. Id you wanna see it get ivans the game dvd or michaels tug dvd. There are ways to make the tug dead and stable and boring even if the dog holds on. the dog
01-28-2014 08:16 AM
jocoyn That is why I was told to hold mine up high . And corrections were involved for not "sitting" which is a known command. Had to out to sit....but had it been done properly from the start, and then maintained......we would not be there.
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