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01-24-2014 09:09 PM
Mrs.P It depends on the organization. My friend has a bull terrier therapy dog and he is raw fed and they visit doctor's offices often
01-24-2014 08:59 PM
erfunhouse Wow. Pretty soon RAW feeding nurses who allow their dogs to sit on all the furniture won't be allowed to work because I can transfer bacteria to my patients. Get over it! I can tell you that demented patients, many who have feces under their nails, who frequently attack other patients in the nursing homes pose a larger risk than our raw fed dogs!

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01-24-2014 04:02 PM
David Taggart Just forgot to say: don't feed any cooked bones. Calcium changes its structure with thermal treatment, bones become rigid, and cannot be digested. Tubular chicken bones are simply dangerous. Provide vitamins separately in tablets, raw ground vegetables, cod liver oil, etc. It is not such a trouble as you may think, if you buy a 15 litre cooking pan (my friend has it), cook a week supply, and put devided portions into your freezer. Maybe you will start doing good money with your therapy dog, then you can afford employing your elderly neighbour to do that.
01-24-2014 03:18 PM
David Taggart My friend has a therapy dog and he explained me why. Any raw meet contains worm eggs, which could be destroyed by boiling. Long freezing destroys them as well, but vitamin structure is destroyed as well, so, there's no reason to freeze. You provide your dog with medication three times a year, but that is targeted against particularly dangerous worms if there's any, medication itself poisons your dog's liver and it is strongly advised not to do worm more often. But, your dog is reinfected only two weeks after with worms living in the guts. The majrity of worms living in guts and in the liver considered not dangerous, in fact all humans have them as well. Or, you think you don't? Then, you must be an alcoholic (LOL). We consume many products which regulate number of the worms (alcohol, garlic, many herbs, etc make worms leave our organisms through the annus) and never have any issues with our health, unless we are underweight, or seriously ill. I provide my dog weekly with 5-6 cloves of garlic forcing them into her throat and another good thing - raw pumpkin seeds, crushed in a coffee grinder and admixed into her meal. I always consume the same myself just in case, I like salads with crushed raw garlic, and pumpkin seeds are simply tasty, they are aphrodisiac, and availabe shell free. It something happens with worms in a weak organism, like they know that it is going to die, and worms take the best chances to reproduce. They start to reproduce in huge numbers. The death rate in children and puppies is high, that's why it always recommended to treat young organisms. People in hospitals are far not so healthy, many of them are very weak, and breeding worms will start to poison their organisms if many, even bring to death.
So, don't feed any kibble, just cook what you feed your dog, boil it for the length of time you would do for yourself. People of ancient times started to cook meat not for taste improvement, but exactly to prevent worm and bacteria infections.
01-24-2014 02:30 PM
Springbrz I'm disappointed to learn this about RAW feeding and the therapy dog programs. I was thinking how nice it would be to "give back" with my dog in the future.
I understand to a point with the concern of salmonella.
However, my dogs health and well being will be first and for most. I shrug and hang my head in a bit of defeat with this news.
We have become such a "germ-a-phobe" society. I personally so believe that people get so sick from everything these days because we over sanitize everything in our daily lives. IMHO the general population has no immune system by design of today's paranoia of all germs big and small. Even those beneficial to normal healthy living.
01-24-2014 02:28 PM
blackshep HPP = high pressure pasteurization

It kills pathogens in food, I think it does diminish the nutrients somewhat (minimally), but is an option for dogs with immune issues, or who have had recent GI surgery etc. There is a bit of info in the link I posted.

"the types of raw food currently on the market.
There is a whole class of raw foods currently available that are sterile at the time of purchase. Just as much of the human meat supply has been treated with a sterilization technique called high pressure pasteurization (HPP), many raw commercially available pet foods have also opted for this sterilization technique to reduce potential pathogens."
01-24-2014 02:27 PM
Blanketback Germ-Free Dogs Still Potential Disease Carriers, Study Finds | University of Guelph

That's old news now, but in case anyone's wondering...
01-24-2014 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by blackshep View Post
Vets have very limited training in nutrition, and what they have is sponsored by pet food companies, so take that with a grain of salt.

There are also HPP raw diets that are sterile, FYI.

Castlemaid, that must have been disappointing, but I'm glad you didn't let some policy stop you from doing what is best for your dogs. Hopefully people can push for change.

I do understand where they are coming from though, and patient safety is top priority, but I sincerely doubt enough research has been put in to say that feeding raw is going to make people sick.
Would you elaborate on the bold portion of your post. I'm interested in learning abut this.
01-24-2014 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by Kaimeju View Post

I guess if I were a patient in a hospital, I would want to trust that the people supervising the therapy dog program were doing everything possible to mitigate risk. I just wouldn't want to have to worry about it.
If I were a patient in a hospital, and immune suppressed, I would be far more concerned about the family dogs being brought it. This is a common occurrence in many hospitals.

But an organization that is responsible and liable for anything happening because of the therapy animals, they should play it on the safe side.
01-24-2014 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by madis View Post
one tiny link to some illness and it becomes a witch hunt.
If you are interested in the state of research as of 2011, you can find it here: Raw food diets in companion animals: A critical review

The reality is often less black and white than we wish it would be. Basically, they found that it's possible to get Salmonella if you work in a facility with a lot of animals and there's feces around. No link to raw food there, also not that surprising. They also found that it is possible for animals to become infected with Salmonella from eating raw food. Well yeah, any food that is contaminated could give you Salmonella, raw or not. So, there is a theoretical public health risk right now. There is no experimental data one way or the other proving that therapy dogs who are raw-fed pose a risk, so based on prior studies they are extrapolating and trying to play it safe.

I guess if I were a patient in a hospital, I would want to trust that the people supervising the therapy dog program were doing everything possible to mitigate risk. I just wouldn't want to have to worry about it.
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