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06-25-2015 11:36 AM
carmspack Bailiff reinforces exactly what I have been saying !!!
just read pages 3 and 4 of this

I said it here -- keep on going and you'll need the book Fired Up , Frantic and Freaked Out

more from Bailiff "

Doesn't matter what their day was like.

They are conditioned to relax in the house. I don't allow them to play in the house or do anything high intensity in the house outside of something that has a cue to start and finish.

When we go outside or in the training room they go nuts. When they are in working mode they are wired. In the house or crate it is chill time.

People always go assuming a tired dog is a good dog. No. A tired dog is a tired dog. If you went to a maximum security prison and saw a serial killer who had just gotten done lifting weights all day because that is all he had to do, and he was asleep in his cell would you go and say oh what a good man? No. He is still a psycho killer he is just asleep. Same with dogs.

People who don't understand dogs and training assume keeping them calm is about tiring them out and it isn't the case. Keeping them calm is about managing and training their mental and emotional states. "
05-23-2014 11:26 PM
carmspack for reference "

Originally Posted by carmspack
this wasn't the case in this class , but found this interesting Why Does My Herding Dog Seem to Hate Labs?

maybe the owner of the retriever had some bad experience with a GSD previously so was being the "helicopter parent" .

Thanks for posting this, I haven't read this before, explains everything perfectly and is very easy to comprehend

Should be a sticky for explaining why GSDs behave the way they do especially in dog parks.

05-06-2014 09:13 AM
carmspack but time interacting with other dogs should be brief and ideally with meeting up with the same group.
You say you have had the dog for 4 weeks, so guessing your dog is less than 16 weeks - that is still young and impressionable .
Dog parks are notorious for problems .

When your dog is so immersed in other dogs you tend to loose out at being interesting . The dog will loose some of the skills it needs to understand you as it will be with a group that already has a two way line of communication.
05-06-2014 01:58 AM
nezzz So far, having my pup for 4 weeks now. I've noticed her become more confident with other dogs. When I took her to the dog park for the first time, she was a little timid and shy around larger dogs and tended to avoid interacting with them. But as she's grown larger she has become more confident and would play with the other adult dogs and puppies. The breeder told me they were socialised before I got her and all I needed to do was continue letting her play with other dogs and she should be fine

Same happened with my other previous GSDs
04-21-2014 01:01 AM
David Winners Thanks Nancy. I think your experience fits in perfectly with the content of the thread.

It will be nice to have everything readily available when referencing the thread later.

David Winners
04-20-2014 09:36 PM
jocoyn David suggested I put a link to this post here

Appropriate behavior from a dog with ZERO puppy playtime after leaving the pack. All interactions were either with known stable adult dogs and after he was a few months old, the goal was to ignore other dogs.

Today we had a good offlead experience with my dog and a teammate's dog on her farm. The ability to "be a dog" was not impaired by not having puppy play time. They knew how to interact, then chill out together when they were a panting heap. Their past exposure to each other was team training - mainly doing obedience near each other.
04-19-2014 06:46 PM
carmspack when I said first impressions, I didn't mean mine or ours, but the first impression that the dogs' had of each other.
In this case neither dog was experienced enough nor mature enough to have any SELF-control, and at the same time did not have outside control by the owners.
They read each other by body postures, vocalization and even scent .
The "other" dog may have been attending this park with its owners for a frequent period and in its mind this was his park . Here comes a stranger (the younger pup) , who is not calm , may be a problem , in any case coming into his territory.
Quick . Do something . Quick , and so without the time necessary to do the ritualized meet and greet , one dog discovered the younger to be afraid and vulnerable , just as he himself was, took advantage and cowed the other into submission -- some control.
04-19-2014 02:12 PM
carmspack I guess I am pinning this thread "puppy got bit by a bigger GSD" to the early socialization because there are so many points useful to discussion in socializing your pup to dog .

In this case both young dogs were totally over excited . The other dog owner's description was "super friendly" which may be a total misread on seemingly harmless behaviour from his viewpoint , but totally , blatantly , different when perceived from the two dogs' perception .
First impressions. Each dog took a read on the other . Neither in a calm state - two over excited pups . Neither old enough to have established trust from the respective owner, neither one old enough to have controllability so that the situation could be controlled, before it got out of hand. Both dogs were indifferent to the owners. Simple youthful rambunctiousness propelled them into a situation where the youngest was cowed , the older dog emboldened , excited by prey squeals bites the young one more . The situation was ripe for social conflict .
Once separated both had their hair up and still in a state of confused fear (aggressive) arousal.

When you introduce a young dog to another only do so if you know the other dog , and the other dog is not indifferent to the owner , and be able to control your young one so that it is not disrespectful to the older dog - who will give a deserved correction .

Read an interview of Martina Urich , handler of Decster von Barbatus , 9th place Baunatal BSP trials, in Das Schaferhund Magazin.
When asked how Decster was socialized the answer was that there was no particular format , but many things are learned by the young whelp just by living a normal life (Viele Dinge lernt ein Welpe bei mir schon im, normalen Leben) . A little food motivation work, a little booty drive with the tugs . Time goes quickly .
The dog was introduced to working around other dogs around 10 to 12 months and made the first schutzhund club at 12 months.
04-02-2014 01:10 PM
carmspack this little female pup has arrived in Ontario.
She crossed the continent from Oregon to Toronto by air , was picked up and had a 3 hour car ride to the Kawarthas , there she had another leg to her journey , and that was to cross the frozen ice of Lake Joe , pitch dark of night tucked into a a zipped back pack worn on the front , zooming home on a skidoo .

I got the call moments ago. This pup , as expected is absolutely fearless. She entered the new home at 4:45 a.m. found some threads on the carpet and started pulling on them --- found the wrought iron fire poker , knocked it over and then proceeded to pick it up and parade around. She never skipped a beat - She "owned" the house the moment she walked in. So now that the time difference is catching up with the pup and she is resting , so is her new owner.

I'll see them tomorrow for some "tests" in the barn.

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adult black female is Carmspack Kameshia retired working dog entering her 12 year shortly

sable pup is a 5 week old repeat on "Nicholas" pedigree
temporary (papered name) is Amelia after Earhart


04-02-2014 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by carmspack View Post
life coming at you --

while taking a walk through a downtown residential area , head toward the main street (Queen just east of Broadview) and "step into" a film crew taping an elephant walking along ? could never have planned for this .

another totally unexpected situation , take a bike path expecting peace and quiet and then find out that there is a civil war re-enactment on the field above you ?
If come across Gen. Robert E Lee send him home! :
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