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05-27-2017 12:01 PM
Steve Strom
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Originally Posted by Cassidy's Mom View Post
That was before our time, Steve. We started going there in the Fall of 2000, with Cassidy. The cafe wasn't there and Mudpuppy's was in a portable building, but it was already a very heavily used off leash park by then.
Yeah, Costco wasn't even there yet. Lol. When I'd take my dog in the truck with me, I'd stop off there to walk around and use the pay phones. No cell phone then either.
05-27-2017 07:43 AM
car2ner
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I don't know if it is good or not for puppies to play with other puppies beyond a certain age. It's fun to watch them, but I think it makes outtings to obedience classes kind of a bore. What they want to be doing is wrestling and playing and running and chasing.

Which makes Susie even more of an ogre when she takes the pup to obedience classes and makes him sit and down and walk past all these other doggies that would just love to run and play.
In my current group class, the instructor let two of the dogs play together after the lesson. He quickly recognized his mistake the next time we met, because the dogs were not interested in working, they wanted to play. I once heard of someone described a puppy class where the pups played first and then did some structured learning. I can't imagine that working very well, unless they are working with pups with a 5 second attention span. And then really, how much is the pup learning?
05-26-2017 09:08 PM
selzer I don't know if it is good or not for puppies to play with other puppies beyond a certain age. It's fun to watch them, but I think it makes outtings to obedience classes kind of a bore. What they want to be doing is wrestling and playing and running and chasing.

Which makes Susie even more of an ogre when she takes the pup to obedience classes and makes him sit and down and walk past all these other doggies that would just love to run and play.
05-26-2017 03:04 PM
Cassidy's Mom That was before our time, Steve. We started going there in the Fall of 2000, with Cassidy. The cafe wasn't there and Mudpuppy's was in a portable building, but it was already a very heavily used off leash park by then.
05-26-2017 02:50 PM
Steve Strom
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We have several good off leash areas here, the pictures I posted above are all from Point Isabel, which is almost 50 acres on the San Francisco Bay. It's one of the largest in the country and gets over a million visitors a year. We live about a half hour away, and used to go every weekend. There was an article about it in The Bark: Great Dog Parks: Point Isabel, CA | The Bark
Remember when that was just an open area behind the post office?
05-26-2017 01:38 PM
Cassidy's Mom
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I went to our local dog park for exposure( outside the fence) and right away i knew I would never enter that place unless I was alone or with some one I trusted. It looked like the worst playground dynamics ever.... bully dog running around literally plowing over dogs, and scared,shy dogs hiding behind their owners. One owner carried their dog to the middle of the park , where it immediately got trounced upon , and it retreated to a corner.

Anyways I wanted to know if there was actual studies or research of if its just alot of anecdotal evidence that dogs that don't play with other dogs grow up to be just fine.
Ugh, I wouldn't ever go to a place like that either. I don't think it's necessary for dogs to play with other dogs indiscriminately, but if you have friends with nice dogs it's fun to get them together and let them romp, such as Raisedbyshepherds describes.

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I do not believe in the whole early socialization thing...interaction.
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So for me I just dont believe dogs need to be forced to play with other dogs.
We have a friend with a good older dog who comes to our house and plays with our dogs. But they know him and enjoy him.
Remember that socialization is about exposure, not necessarily interaction. I think most people agree with you that it's not a good idea to force dogs to play with other dogs.
05-26-2017 01:30 PM
Cassidy's Mom We have several good off leash areas here, the pictures I posted above are all from Point Isabel, which is almost 50 acres on the San Francisco Bay. It's one of the largest in the country and gets over a million visitors a year. We live about a half hour away, and used to go every weekend. There was an article about it in The Bark: Great Dog Parks: Point Isabel, CA | The Bark

I found this video online, which just happens to feature several GSDs:



05-26-2017 10:35 AM
Kazel My dog does well with new dogs, but I saw fear as a puppy and so I had her play with with quite a few dogs. However I did not socialize her enough with people and since she has kind of crappy genetics it has not turned out very good.

On the other hand my full bred GSD is a doll with people. She loves new people, was abused in her previous home and was a ranch dog so not a lot of socialization.

So it's kind of an interesting mix of genetics and environments. I think the socializing is very important to be honest. But I think it probably isn't as important in a dog with good genetics and temperament as a dog with poor genetics. I'd rather be safe than sorry. It's much harder to socialize an older dog than have them used to it from the time they are puppies. From now on I will do early socialization and continue on with it with my puppies.
05-26-2017 10:19 AM
Raisedbyshepherds I do not believe in the whole early socialization thing...interaction. In my early 20's got my first bullmastiff. Just moved to a city for first time. Bought into the socialize hype. That dog didnt care for other dogs from day 1. Didnt want to play with them, didnt want anything to do with other dogs. No problem unless a dog came up with bad manners. Then she would pin the other dog by the back of neck without hurting them. Let them know not to rudely invade her personal space. No real aggression just a correction. Of coarse other dog owners thought she was killing them.....
Anyway having bought into the hype I made a major effort to take her to the local dog parks several times a week.
IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO SOCIALIZE THE MISTRUST OF OTHER DOGS OUT OF HER IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.
Finally figured out you just cant change a dogs basic nature.
Nurture dont beat nature
So for me I just dont believe dogs need to be forced to play with other dogs.
We have a friend with a good older dog who comes to our house and plays with our dogs. But they know him and enjoy him.
05-26-2017 09:59 AM
griz Does anyone have any literature that talks about the benefits or drawbacks to letting your dog play with other dogs? I am asking because of a friend of mine that is a trainer chastised me for NOT allowing my 16 week old puppy to play with lots of other puppies, and only 2 older mature dogs.

I went to our local dog park for exposure( outside the fence) and right away i knew I would never enter that place unless I was alone or with some one I trusted. It looked like the worst playground dynamics ever.... bully dog running around literally plowing over dogs, and scared,shy dogs hiding behind their owners. One owner carried their dog to the middle of the park , where it immediately got trounced upon , and it retreated to a corner.

Anyways I wanted to know if there was actual studies or research of if its just alot of anecdotal evidence that dogs that don't play with other dogs grow up to be just fine.

Cassidy's mom, that park reminds of me of Dog Park on Fiesta Island... and I could be down with that, where there is alot of room to allow dogs to have their own comfort zone.
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