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12-04-2016 11:30 PM
cdwoodcox I used to feel bad like I should be making more of an effort to get Rosko around other dogs. He was out in public with me everywhere. If he could go in he did. If not he sat in the truck. So he got plenty of people exposure. No dog exposure. We own an old toy poodle but he has been anti social Rosko's lifetime. He played with a Husky pup that a guy who works for me owns one time around 4 months of age. Then at about 6 months we went back to where I got him so my wife could meet his parents. He got to play with his brother Sam and his mother (mostly sam) for an hour or so that day. I took him to play with Sam probably 4 times total. Those two became best friends quick. Besides that until we got Athena no dogs. Then Apollo came along. At 19 months old He is totally indifferent to dogs. I remember at one time he would see a dog from my truck and whine and bark but now he could care less. Athena and Apollo have no outside of the home dog socialization they don't seem to care too much about dogs either. I try and limit their people socialization also. Occasionally someone will approach and go on how beautiful of a German Shepherd one of them are and will ask to pet. I usually let them but most people I just tell them were working on indifference to people so not the best time. So after reading some of this stuff I feel better about being stingy with my dogs.
12-04-2016 09:44 PM
wolfy dog
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Everything I've read says it is pertinent to get a puppy socialized by 4 months old. I complied with August and I don't believe he had any negative experiences at this doggy daycare. All the dogs there are vetted and all are dog friendly. Despite all his socialization and again I never saw anything negative,he is mistrustful of dogs. I think it might have been different if I had continued the socializing,but early socialization was not a magic cure.
From the puppy's point of view: have a pack of 'dog-friendly' Labradors run up to you and you acquire PTSD for life about dogs. What we call 'dog-friendly' can very well be bully behavior. Depends on how educated the day care employees are about behavior. The fact that they admit an 8 week old doesn't show this IMO.
Pups learn dog behavior from their mother and sibs and therefor should spend ample time with them until they are at least 9 - 10 weeks old.
12-04-2016 06:55 PM
carmspack Hello folks. I just want to say that I love this web site. Some of my fondest memories I have is when I was a young boy spending time with my German Shepherd. But like pups turn into dogs so that young boy turned into a grown man trying to help my wife raise our kids and get them grown. I never realized that I said it all the time but my youngest son told me I would always say that I wanted a German Shepherd for ME. FF years and all my kids are gone, the the plant I had worked for 33 years is shut down. Old with an empty nest and unemployed. I got that German Shepherd and we became fast friends. Then I got a job 200 miles from home. Took my new best friend with me. We lived in a camper on the river. The bonding is impossible to explane but those days went from being the worst days of my life to almost the best and it was because of a GSD. My best friend recently died and shortly afterwards I found this site and read many posts where people really felt the same pain that I did over their GSD loss. Thanks for all the tender hearts out there. You guys helped. Im soon to be getting a full brother to my previous GSD. Thanks everybody for your posts, I love em all!

Maybe I should have put this with my introduction post.
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There is a lot to learn from this one . I hope shooter will give a periodic update - video journal to show how it is done with good sense , feeling and patience .
11-06-2016 03:09 PM
Deb I took Enya to Lowes with us today. In the parking lot was a GSD barking from the open bed of a pickup truck. Since he was barking at everyone, it was nonstop barking. Enya looked once and then ignored him. Inside as we were leaving two small dogs walked past us as we stood in the check out line. They barked and lunged and were dragged away. I told her sit, she'd get up, I'd tell her sit, she would, then get back up. But not a bark or growl from her, merely curiosity and wanting to go see closer. As they passed the couple in line behind us loudly said 'It's nice this dog is so nicely trained'. Well, if you count a puppy sitting, standing, sitting, standing well behaved. *G* Had we not been standing in line, I would have moved away from them. The dogs waited until they were almost on her to act aggressively. So you don't know what another dog will do. It's not worth it to walk up to a strange dog thinking they 'look and act friendly'. Friendly can change in an instant.
11-06-2016 10:36 AM
lrodptl
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and that is why I started this thread !

I am sure you were acting on your best intentions . You are not alone .

I don't know when this concept of socializing young pups, or dog parks was "sold" to the public .

It is so contrary to the nature and needs of the dog . Have we lost common sense , are so urban that we no longer understand an animal as an animal, have humanized them , pressured by some peta agenda that makes the person feel good ?

PLEASE, NEW PUP OWNERS, DO NOT DO THIS

Dogs do not need to be "socialized" to the contact of other dogs.

When I was a kid there weren't any puppy or doggie daycare, or commercial playtime sessions.
Certainly no dedicated facilities with two way mirrors or video feeds.

This is the worst . You weren't even there for your pup to look toward you for support or guidance.

I wonder if there was any successful customer.

a bit of passion here - not singling you out -- I honestly think you had the best of intentions.



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Everything I've read says it is pertinent to get a puppy socialized by 4 months old. I complied with August and I don't believe he had any negative experiences at this doggy daycare. All the dogs there are vetted and all are dog friendly. Despite all his socialization and again I never saw anything negative,he is mistrustful of dogs. I think it might have been different if I had continued the socializing,but early socialization was not a magic cure.
11-06-2016 09:53 AM
MineAreWorkingline When I was growing up, there were no leash laws, doggie daycares, dog parks, etc.

It was common for people to own two or three dogs, all kept intact, all ran loose in the streets.

The dogs, even new puppies, all hung together with the kids, played with us, walked with us, and chased us on our bikes.

Dogs grew up being savvy in doggie social skills. Fights were rare, even when females were in heat and males followed in packs.

All of this ended with leash laws and helped create leash reactivity and a lack of doggie social skills. Most don't qualify these behaviors as good family pet material nor does it remind us of our childhood dogs from back then.

Perhaps this is where and why doggie daycares, dog parks, etc., have risen to popularity.

@carmspak What was it like with dogs when you were growing up? What did families and children do to enjoy them?
11-06-2016 09:38 AM
telavivgsd
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and that is why I started this thread !


I don't know when this concept of socializing young pups, or dog parks was "sold" to the public .

It is so contrary to the nature and needs of the dog . Have we lost common sense , are so urban that we no longer understand an animal as an animal, have humanized them , pressured by some peta agenda that makes the person feel good ?

PLEASE, NEW PUP OWNERS, DO NOT DO THIS

Dogs do not need to be "socialized" to the contact of other dogs.




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It's so so hard not to get stuck in this mindset today though. Klaus was fearful of most other dogs right off the bat, and everyone around me, in puppy training groups, etc. was pushing the whole "expose him to more dogs, make him play with them" thing. It feels so urgent, because everyone stresses that there's a limited window for this, and if you miss it, your dog will turn out to be some dog hating monster. Luckily I found this thread and people here, and instead we just gave other dogs a wide berth as much as possible and let him grow up a bit.

He now has almost no reaction to most dogs we pass, or he wants to play - the polar opposite of how he was. He's still improving, and he'll never be a "dog friendly" dog, but he doesn't need to be. When he does still have his occasional fearful reaction (interestingly usually towards really small dogs), people sometimes tell me, oh, he should have played with more dogs when he was younger.
11-06-2016 08:48 AM
carmspack
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I socialized August constantly from 10 weeks old. He'd do 4 hours 3 times a week til he was 8 months at a doggy daycare where I could watch him via video feed. I supplemented that with Petco and Petsmart puppy playtimes twice a week. August is now 3 years old and is not good with other dogs. I stopped the daycare because of the neutering requirement and my older GSD is not dog friendly so that's what I have now,2 GSDs,one temperamentally fearful and reactive to other dogs (attacking and attempting to bite other dogs aggressively since 8 weeks old) and the other lacks the benefits of continued dog socialization. They do have 1 other dog buddy they've known since they were pups who they love,so I know they are capable.
and that is why I started this thread !

I am sure you were acting on your best intentions . You are not alone .

I don't know when this concept of socializing young pups, or dog parks was "sold" to the public .

It is so contrary to the nature and needs of the dog . Have we lost common sense , are so urban that we no longer understand an animal as an animal, have humanized them , pressured by some peta agenda that makes the person feel good ?

PLEASE, NEW PUP OWNERS, DO NOT DO THIS

Dogs do not need to be "socialized" to the contact of other dogs.

When I was a kid there weren't any puppy or doggie daycare, or commercial playtime sessions.
Certainly no dedicated facilities with two way mirrors or video feeds.

This is the worst . You weren't even there for your pup to look toward you for support or guidance.

I wonder if there was any successful customer.

a bit of passion here - not singling you out -- I honestly think you had the best of intentions.



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11-06-2016 07:58 AM
lrodptl I socialized August constantly from 10 weeks old. He'd do 4 hours 3 times a week til he was 8 months at a doggy daycare where I could watch him via video feed. I supplemented that with Petco and Petsmart puppy playtimes twice a week. August is now 3 years old and is not good with other dogs. I stopped the daycare because of the neutering requirement and my older GSD is not dog friendly so that's what I have now,2 GSDs,one temperamentally fearful and reactive to other dogs (attacking and attempting to bite other dogs aggressively since 8 weeks old) and the other lacks the benefits of continued dog socialization. They do have 1 other dog buddy they've known since they were pups who they love,so I know they are capable.
11-06-2016 12:08 AM
carmspack
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I have to say that I was very concerned about our GSD's temperment after bringing him home at 8 wks. He seemed too shy and a bit nervy. Bringing him out to a park seemed too much for him and he would mostly bark and acted like a wild animal in public. And he had had come from a great breeder who exposed the litter to noises and people/kids, etc. Consistent training at home and plenty of car rides within the comfort of his crate have paid off. My husband and I took him out this weekend to a very busy downtown area and farmer's market and he was really good! He's 6 months old now and I will be bringing him out much more now that he can handle it. I think if I would have pushed him with too much when he was younger it wouldn't have turned out so well. I questioned myself a lot during the last 4 months though. Everyone says, socialize, socialize, socialize. I think you can only do what your pup is ready for.
how is your pup doing?
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