|02-20-2014 08:18 AM|
|nikon22shooter||Its kind of like beating a dead horse, people still do it|
|02-20-2014 12:43 AM|
Not to mention, it's completely unnecessary (and counter-productive) to "swat" for housebreaking. Show me someone who has to "swat" their dog to get compliance for housebreaking and I'll show you someone who lacks the knowledge to train their dog.
I've never had to swat a dog to housebreak them...and I've had Siberian Huskies, Chows, German Shepherds, Goldens, etc. I've also fostered many dogs who were older and not house-trained....Rotties, Pits, mixes. Not a swat to be had. And it's not like some of these dogs weren't untrained, difficult or hard. It takes patience, consistency, and clear communication of what you want.
I always liked the saying, "If you see that your dog had an accident in the house, find a newspaper, roll it up, and hit yourself over the head." The mistake is yours...not the dog's.
|02-17-2014 05:36 PM|
Bite inhibition is another thread though.
|02-17-2014 05:29 PM|
what behaviour do you "snap up a pup by the scruff"? do think
a pup knows the difference in tearing up your $500.00 loafers
or a news paper?
|02-17-2014 05:26 PM|
I don't think you are beating your puppy. I also don't think you are giving the puppy time to learn the behavior you want. Teaching a puppy to sit on command takes way more than 10 reps, and that is a simple behavior.
Going to the door, alerting, walking outside to a location and then pooping is pretty complex for a pup to understand. You see a correction may teach the pup not to go, but it has to connect all those dots in its head.
It's going to go whether it knows it's wrong or not. It doesn't have a choice.
Consider this. You are left handed. You decide to visit a country in the middle east by yourself. You get off the plane and someone greets you, and you extend your left hand in greeting to shake their hand. They slap you and say some harsh words you don't understand.
20 minutes later, someone else greets you in a restaurant and extends their right hand to you in offer of a handshake. You subconsciously reciprocate with your right hand because you are conditioned to do so out of habit. All goes well.
20 minutes later, you meet another friendly person and extend your left hand in greeting and you get slapped and reprimanded again.
You may connect the dots. It may take a few more reps. Would it be more fair if someone could explain that they wipe their butts with their left hand, and offering it in greeting is an insult? They told you the first time, but you didn't understand. You have a big mature brain and higher learning power and you still may not understand.
Give the pup a chance.
|02-17-2014 05:23 PM|
i did the same thing. i did raise my voice a little. my pup was
house broken in 11 days. i continued to take him out often.
|02-17-2014 05:15 PM|
|02-17-2014 05:08 PM|
Something I don't understand is the reason people believe the puppy fails. Do they think the puppy is pooping out of spite or something? If the reward is consistently present at poop time, do they think the puppy is too lazy to walk to the door?
I do not specify a number of repetitions necessary for a dog to learn a behavior. Different dogs have different learning capacities. Different things can influence what the dog associates with reward or punishment.
Here's how I do it. 15 minutes after poop/pee inducing activities, I go hang out by the door with the puppy and play. As soon as the dog sniffs the ground, indicating potty time, I make a huge party at the door. I open the door and head out with the dog on its own legs (if possible) and keep myself interesting all the way to the potty spot. I mark and reward at the door, at the potty spot, and after the deal is done.
I (hopefully) just built the foundation for the chain of behaviors cued by the need to poop. As with all new behaviors, I lure the dog to do the right thing himself, instead of doing it for them. I set up conditions for them to succeed and for me to reward each step of the process.
There is a fundamental difference in extinguishing a behavior through punishment or replacement. Whenever possible, I chose replacement.
I'm not some pansy trainer that can't stand the thought of corrections. I'll snap up a puppy by the scruff for certain things. Failing to understand where to eliminate is not one of them.
|02-17-2014 05:07 PM|
|02-17-2014 05:02 PM|
|nikon22shooter||Good to hear|
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