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01-24-2014 07:28 PM
dpc134
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Originally Posted by David Winners View Post
I think this video explains when and why corrections are necessary in training.

It's over an hour long. The part I'm referring to is at 33 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe0-...e_gdata_player

David Winners
David - thanks for this link. I just watched the entire video. Outstanding information talked in the video. Hands down the best video that I have seen so far explaining the "why" and "how" between +R / physical correction.
Thanks again!
01-24-2014 02:50 PM
dpc134
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Originally Posted by Blanketback View Post
I know, they're incredible! My dogs know my wardrobe, and what each piece signifies, lol.

I don't know it this interests you, but I use it:
BookFinder.com: New & Used Books, Textbooks, Rare Books & Out-of-Print Books

You can get great deals on used books here. I've got quite a collection, lol.
Thanks for the link. I usually buy from Amazon, but I will definitely check this out.
01-24-2014 02:19 PM
Blanketback I know, they're incredible! My dogs know my wardrobe, and what each piece signifies, lol.

I don't know it this interests you, but I use it:
BookFinder.com: New & Used Books, Textbooks, Rare Books & Out-of-Print Books

You can get great deals on used books here. I've got quite a collection, lol.
01-24-2014 01:58 PM
dpc134
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Originally Posted by Blanketback View Post
OP, here's another thing to think about. Know what my best correction is right now, that's all-powerful and most meaningful to my pup? You'll never guess...

Taking my fleece fuchsia hat off, lol! Yup, I put it on first, when I'm getting all bundled up to face the horrible weather conditions (that my pup doesn't notice) and I want him in his crate while I'm getting suited up. If he breaks his stay, and charges the door to rush us out, off the hat goes. You should see him fly back into that crate. Of course, he should be reliable. I could prong him into a stay and get him there faster. Oh well.
It is funny how these dogs pick up on stuff. When I put on my hiking shoes, my dog goes crazy because she knows we are going for a walk. However, when I put my work shoes on, she knows I am leaving to go to work and so she just lays there watching me. Never thought a dog could be so smart to know the difference between what shoes you wear.
I ordered a few books and am thinking of ordered a set of DVDs to learn more about the different training methods out there. At the end of the day, I think that all the different training methods work, depending on the level of training, the dog, and the owner, will dictate which method to use. As long as the dog is happy and your relationship is strong, I think its just splitting hairs.
01-24-2014 01:50 PM
Blanketback OP, here's another thing to think about. Know what my best correction is right now, that's all-powerful and most meaningful to my pup? You'll never guess...

Taking my fleece fuchsia hat off, lol! Yup, I put it on first, when I'm getting all bundled up to face the horrible weather conditions (that my pup doesn't notice) and I want him in his crate while I'm getting suited up. If he breaks his stay, and charges the door to rush us out, off the hat goes. You should see him fly back into that crate. Of course, he should be reliable. I could prong him into a stay and get him there faster. Oh well.
01-24-2014 12:02 PM
katdog5911 So glad I found this thread. I have a continual battle going on in my head about different training methods. (and unfortunately my dog is probably not as well trained as she could be due to my indecisiveness) At heart I prefer to use +R but I must be doing something wrong because it just doesn't work in all situations. It is definitely the way to go when teaching new behaviors or tricks but it is what comes after that is confusing to me....

As to dog play getting too rough... My 2 1/2 yr old 85 lb girl has been playing with my son's English Mastiff starting when the mastiff was 8 weeks. She was extremely gentle with the puppy, just needed a few reminders to be "easy". Of course now that puppy is 10 months and the play style has changed A LOT. There is a lot more biting and rough play, which I always worry about. But she definitely lets the big guy know when she has had enough. He doesn't always get it, and that is when I step in and make them take a break. A recall for one or the other, and both usually come running. Or if Stella is getting too bitey(is that a word?), I will ask her to go find a stick or toy. It seems better when they have something in their mouths. She knows what "easy" means. Now if only the mastiff would figure that out!!!
01-23-2014 11:12 PM
madis Since we are on this topic... My 10 week old puppy just humped his toy dinosaur.

I know humping is a sign of not getting enough exercise. He hasn't had his 3rd parvo vac yet, so we can't take him on real walks yet. We went to Home Depot today on his first big adventure to get him some good social time in and some exercise. He also spent some time with my moms toy poodle mix which didn't go too well so they were separated. She isn't fixed and is usually really submissive and gentle with other dogs. I guess Alvin was the first dog she could boss around because she became an over-dominant bully.

He came home fine and after dinner he became crazy hyper! Then the humping happened...

What do I do to make this stop? We redirected him with a chew toy and took the dinosaur away... He's only 10 weeks old what the heck?!


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01-23-2014 10:22 PM
dpc134
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Originally Posted by crackem View Post
my initial post covered pretty much everything, and inferred none of what you got later. your very next post after me, and more than a few others basically said the same thing was excuses.

you had this to say



and



Sorry if it sounded like you posed a question, got some answers and then had a comeback stating you already knew the answer to your own question. Management wasn't an option and there was nothing that could break a distraction other than physical correction is what you said.

I tend to think someone really here for discussion and to "learn" as you say, would have taken those first posts and instead of meeting them with resistance and dismissal, would have asked a question maybe, like "how do you manage an environment and then build up the distractions so I can have reliable OB anywhere?" That's something I think a person wanting genuine learning to happen would have asked.

People that have their mind made up and are looking for validation in what they already believe to be true tend to respond the way you did.
I cannot explain my intentions anymore than I have already. I was asking questions to gain a better understanding. I am sure you are very experienced and your methods are better than mine. I just can't have a civil discussion with somebody on the internet that is calling me a liar and judging my intentions. I am not in 5th grade and do not feel the need to justify my intentions with you. Thanks for the information that you provided.
01-23-2014 08:55 PM
crackem
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Originally Posted by dpc134 View Post
Your previous post was making me out to be a trainer that knows nothing and is abusive with my training. And your dog is much better trained than mine.
I am not here to establish who's dog is better trained, rather, I am seeking how others would handle certain scenarios using no physical corrections. You have explained those methods, and I appreciate that. But when you start calling me a liar and judging my intentions, I simply have no need to continue conversing with you.
my initial post covered pretty much everything, and inferred none of what you got later. your very next post after me, and more than a few others basically said the same thing was excuses.

you had this to say

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I do not want to alter my environment to prevent my dog from chewing on something that she is not supposed to. I want to teach her not to chew on it. I have already done this, but not using +R techniques.
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There is no food or toy to break her distraction for obeying a command, except for physical correction.
Sorry if it sounded like you posed a question, got some answers and then had a comeback stating you already knew the answer to your own question. Management wasn't an option and there was nothing that could break a distraction other than physical correction is what you said.

I tend to think someone really here for discussion and to "learn" as you say, would have taken those first posts and instead of meeting them with resistance and dismissal, would have asked a question maybe, like "how do you manage an environment and then build up the distractions so I can have reliable OB anywhere?" That's something I think a person wanting genuine learning to happen would have asked.

People that have their mind made up and are looking for validation in what they already believe to be true tend to respond the way you did.
01-23-2014 06:44 PM
dpc134 All - I appreciate everybody's feedback and input. This information has been helpful. I have a few books that I ordered that I will be reading to help expand my training knowledge in +R methods. Thanks to those for the recommendations.
Keep the thread going with other suggestions. I enjoy hearing peoples different methods and views.
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