|01-03-2016 11:20 PM|
Oh well while everyone is busy going at in the other thread. I saw this and it looks like a sound and doable solution that is suitable for nearly everyone. I will add this tip for my Boxer friends.
So thanks, LF for the tip ... sorry you got hurt.
|12-04-2015 03:02 AM|
|cloudpump||Monkeyfist. That is all.|
|12-04-2015 02:46 AM|
|monster||Collapsible baton? That's what I carry. Sometimes on walks that are in the dark I'll conceal carry but if it ever comes down to that I'll be crossing my fingers about the aftermath. I believe in one has to make up their mind ahead of time what your willing to do and then do it when needed. I'm always hoping that nothing happens, there are no winners in war. I have one of those Argentinian giants on our walks, he was the reason I've had to contemplate my options. The owners leave the garage door raised enough that their Godzilla sticks his head out. I'm not convinced that's enough, so I suit up. Unfortunately, we can't avoid his home and get a good walk. I even get concerned that the privacy fence is strong enough. I realize I'm projecting, he may be nice, but his bark is enough to raise the hairs on my neck.|
|08-27-2015 12:32 PM|
I extend my deepest apoligizies! And I'll take this lesson to heart!
|08-26-2015 08:06 PM|
Yo Chip It was a statement, not a challenge. I will not be able to stop my dog or keep her behind me with an aggressive dog threatening us. I would also not want her passive and afraid to defend herself because she was given a command to stay behind me. I don't know how I would stop an aggressive dog from attacking should they ignore my verbal warning and aggressive body posture.
A walking stick - air horn - spray, I don't know - those are engaged when the attack is seconds away or already happening. There is no "daddy" here to handle it for my girl - she has an old lady senior at the other end of the leash. Would bypassers help? Doubt it.
Because of that, what works for you (because you are physically able to take on an attacking dog) would not work for me. I am not among the peas crowd. Remember, I'm the one that upset everyone by saying I carry an ice pick.....
|08-26-2015 07:33 PM|
Hmmm not really sure if this post is a statement or a challenge?? So I'll take a "moderate" tone.
But I will say that "this" is not the thread for folks who's physiosophy is:
Folks here for the most part seem to be like "me" and "Homie" and as I tend to say as of late...:
Pretty sure you will find no convert to the "peas" movement here! Just saying
I've posted this numerous times in the past. And how "I" accomplished the above is right here:
Leerburg | Who Pets Your Puppy or Dog (the walking part )
My GSD did the rest! Dog encounters were not a consideration for us, people were! I simply "always" had him stay behind me, when I encountered his "issue" which were uh "anyone" other than me or my wife! As it happened he no problem with "other dogs" he was simply never given a chance to "decide" if other dogs were an "item" to be considered? We "ignored" other dogs...there was "nothing" to think about!"
Let "Daddy" deal. Daddy in front, "he" stands behind and waits. For Rocky it was simply a matter of "been there done this!" So when we got charged, I did what I do! No dogs get to mine without going through me! Period there is "nothing to be discussed or considered!"
So I said to him "Stay" and Rocky stood behind me while we were being charged! Maybe he "thought" OK a "situation" here, seen Daddy do this before, ...."nothing new here!" But, Daddy goes down while shielding him??? Well this is new??? Perhaps I need to make my "presence" more "obvious??"
So he stepped up.... "problem" solved!
As it happens in my encounter, my dogs were both on leash, and this situation occurred at the Police sub-station and under full, observation of LE officers! The only one hurt was me! When I slipped on the ice and fell "because" of those dogs! "My odgs weren't hurt, I did not care about "anything other that Dad. I shouted "control your freaking...dogs!" And we moved on...never saw those dogs doing that again by the way!
But yeah, it was pretty much a law-suit (for me) made to order??? Not my concern, my dogs are! If a dog chooses to cross path with me and mine?? It will become quickly clear to "that" dog, that he has made "a very poor life's choice!!"
Dogs don't stop to consider the "consequences" of their actions?? If they did they would only target the "owners" of "Peas activist!"
I have no intentions of going to court and crying over pictures of my dogs carved up body, in court from "a bad encounter!"
If a dog chooses to target me or mine...that dog best be ready to deal, with the "consequences" of a bad life's choice! I'm not pulling out the smartphone and calling 911! As I say... "Homie don't Play!" "They" best believe that and chose their "victim's" with great care!
I trust I've made that pretty clear???
|08-26-2015 12:12 PM|
There is no way that my dog will stand behind me with an aggressive dog or person rapidly approaching US. I don't believe in training against my dog's survival skills if WE are attacked because his training is contradictory to defending himself. Yes, I look at it that way. The charging stray that does not heed human warnings and keeps coming - has no regard or respect for the human either and should be treated accordingly..... a danger to US.
Where I live, law endorsement stands 100% with any owner taking defensive action by any legal means if his dog is attacked while on a leash by uncontrolled unleashed dog or dogs. There are consequences and risks every time you choose to let your dog off leash or fail to provide proper containment on your property. You are at fault and you are responsible if your dog is loose and attacks another.
I agree many times owners get lazy and let their dog run just from the house to the car unleashed and that's where they loose control if someone is walking by with their dog. That's just as bad as the owner who doesn't care at all. They know they can't control their dog off leash and are only counting on their dog wanting to go for a car ride bad enough to stick close. Idiots.
It's time that these negligent dog owners find out that we have had enough and we will actively protect our dogs from theirs. I am sick of their idiot attitudes that cause these problems in the first place. Simply standing there and yelling for help does not work and it never will.
|08-26-2015 11:49 AM|
|Nikitta||My first dog that I owned was an irish setter. I had to move back home and my parents wanted me to get rid of him. I, instead was keeping him at a barn I was renting for my horse. The next barn over had a Doberman that was a nasty dog. He attacked the husband of woman I was sharing the barn with. He cornered him on top of his car. He would come over and attack my tied up dog. He was used to people being afraid of him. Not me. He came over one day and I picked up a pitch fork and dared him to come any closer. He tried to go around the car and I confronted him again. His idiot owner finally came and got him. You don't attack my dog.|
|08-26-2015 09:24 AM|
I have to say, having been a "victim" of 5 completely random dog attacks (3 times in which I was bitten), the level of "aggression" I'm reading from some of owners (and not the dogs, the people) is pretty scary. The bites I received weren’t life threatening, I did get a tetanus shot after the first one to be one the safe side.
I'm 5 feet 4 inches, female, weigh about 120 pounds and I live in Ontario CANADA ... which means I have access and the legal right to ZERO weapons. I can't even carry bear spray. Mainly because I live in suburbia and there are no bears. A large walking stick is all I am permitted, or an umbrella.
CHIP - you mention your only concern is your dog and not the owner. Well, that's fine, but this is also a thread where the OP is asking for options on what you can do ... you continue to go on and on about how you don't care about the owner ... well, guess what? Some people do care, and in some places, depending on where you live you have to be very careful.
You also have to take into account that some owners are plain stupid and clueless and no matter what you do, it won’t matter.
If the owner of the unruly dog is a 90-pound, 89 year old lady / man are you going to go after them because they can’t control their dog?
There are so many variables in these kinds of situations that to constantly pound back at people that you ONLY care about YOUR dog and nothing else strikes me as very selfish, and also very sad … our society is so egocentric and selfish, that to read, on a wonderful forum, from someone who posts very often, and is probably looked at as a “role model” for some of the newbies … that you just don’t care about the people is a horrible thing to read.
When my dog and I were attacked, I was outraged, no doubt. I’m not a meek and mild person. BUT I do care that these people understand the entire situation, and recognize that their actions (or lack of) resulted in consequences and they are now liable.
I would hate to be in an area where someone’s dog bit / charged / pinned my dog, and all I had to do was whip out mace, lay into the dog (and hey, maybe the owner) and then just walk away.
|08-26-2015 01:32 AM|
I've had this happen. Here's what I did (may or may not be appropriate):
The scenario: 120 lb English Mastiff, 60-80 lb lab mix, and 50-60 lb yellow lab escape their yard just as I walk past with my dog on the leash.
The three of them run up to my GSD, and sniffing and posturing commences. I attempt to diffuse the situation by trying to remain calm and uttering soothing statements, like "Oh! Look! We have visitors! Hi guys!".
Didn't work. Someone snarled, and it was "on like Donkey Kong". My poor GSD ended up pinned to the ground, with the mastiff gnawing on his butt and the lab mix trying to rip his throat out. (Thankfully the other lab was content to observe and not participate).
I tried yelling, then screaming, for help, hoping that a neighbor might arrive with a hose or a bucket of water. No help was forthcoming Heinz was gasping for air at this point, so I grabbed the mutt by the scruff of her neck and hauled her back. I got lucky, she was re-adjusting her bite and I managed to pull her free and Heinz scrambled away. I then used my "BAD DOG" voice and postured at the other dogs until they backed off.
Very scary, and I was lucky I wasn't bitten. Heinz was fine except for a few little puncture wounds and the owner of the miscreants paid the vet bill (after I left a note telling her what happened)
The vet tech, upon hearing my tale of woe, recommended carrying a small air horn. She said it usually freaks dogs out enough that an impending fight can be avoided.
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