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01-30-2014 12:46 AM
martincho
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Originally Posted by LouCastle View Post
I must be missing something.
Yes. There's always the possibility that there could be a good business opportunity in making a better mousetrap.

Yes, things have improved with respect to what I was using fifteen years ago. As you know, I've been asking about the different e-collars in trying to decide what to buy. I get into this mode of intense focus on a problem when I am researching these kinds of things. During a recent two mile walk with Rocky I realized that what I would like to try doesn't really exist and that it could be an interesting and potentially useful advance in e-collar design. I'm not saying it is. All I am saying is that this was my hypothesis as I thought it through. Now it needs to be tested. Being an engineer I am more than able to do just that. Now it is a matter of deciding whether or not I really, really, really want to add this to the dozen things I am already supposed to be doing.

If I decide I have no interest or time to play with this on my own then, yes, talking to the various manufacturers would make a lot of sense.
01-30-2014 12:33 AM
David Winners
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I must be missing something. I don't understand what seems like a reticence to discuss this. And I don't understand what changes you'd make in the tools. I have contacts at both Dogtra and Einstein and they might be open if you have some specific suggestions. But just saying that "all Ecollars are really limited ... " is pretty vague. If you think that PM's would be a better place to discuss this, feel free.
I want a collar that will emit 5 different tones to be used for off leash directional control. Have you heard of such a thing Lou?
01-30-2014 12:27 AM
LouCastle I must be missing something. I don't understand what seems like a reticence to discuss this. And I don't understand what changes you'd make in the tools. I have contacts at both Dogtra and Einstein and they might be open if you have some specific suggestions. But just saying that "all Ecollars are really limited ... " is pretty vague. If you think that PM's would be a better place to discuss this, feel free.
01-29-2014 10:46 PM
martincho
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Originally Posted by LouCastle View Post
What is it that you're looking for that is not now offered?
Hmmm. I have to think about whether I want to post this or not. It has to do with the fact that all e-collars are really limited in the way you can communicate with a dog. The tool could be better.
01-28-2014 02:35 AM
LouCastle
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Originally Posted by martincho View Post
At some level nobody seems to be offering what I really want.
What is it that you're looking for that is not now offered?
01-27-2014 11:36 PM
Suka I have the EINSTEIN K9-400TS EDUCATOR 3/4 MILE REMOTE DOG TRAINER WITH BUNGEE COLLAR and it is my first ecollar and I like it. Of course, it is my very first one that I'm learning on under Jonathan Katz but I am beginning to use a wide variety of collars now with the other dogs at the facility.
01-27-2014 11:25 PM
jocoyn I heard that Einstein is coming out with a more standard transmitter in a couple of months. One thing I do like is that they are 60 days and you can return it if you don't like it. Of course they don't have a long history to know durability.
01-27-2014 11:21 PM
martincho
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Originally Posted by LouCastle View Post
I used to favor TT but since Dogtra improved their quality control, I've been using them.
I need to figure out a way to evaluate both ... and maybe include Einstein in my evaluation. Thankfully I am not in a hurry. I need to look for some kind of a dog show where the manufacturers or dealers would exhibit these products.

At some level nobody seems to be offering what I really want. I'm halfway thinking of building my own. Not sure how big the market might be for serious users. What I want isn't really for your typical clueless pet owner who's far more likely to use an e-collar to zap the sh-- out of their dog rather to communicate with it.
01-25-2014 09:14 PM
mspiker03 What I like about the Einstein collar and why I got it over a newer dogtra - you can have one dog locked on one level and the second dog on a completely different level. I never liked having to constantly switch the dial between the two dogs!


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01-25-2014 08:57 PM
LouCastle I used to favor TT but since Dogtra improved their quality control, I've been using them.

You're right martincho it is easier in an emergency to bump up the stim on the TT's IF you're working at the low level within the range. If you're at the middle then you only have one step higher and if you're at the high, then you have nowhere to go. Then you have to bump the level.

With the Dogtras you have the entire range of stim available with just a twist of the dial.

As to moving the dial, without meaning to, you have to either intend to move it or to bump it pretty good. It just takes a glance at the LCD readout to see if the level has changed.

With either brand if you try carrying it in your pocket, you're liable to inadvertently change the stim level. Of course there's less chance of it happening with the TT's since they're click stopped. But that also means that the jumps between levels are significant, since there are, relatively, so few of them, and the humps are not smooth. With most of the TT's it's 15 v. 127 on the Dogtras.

It's important to my system of training that the user be able to smoothly change stim levels and the TT's don't allow that.

Each has a lot of brand loyalty with some users steadfastly refusing to change, no matter what advantages another brand has. A lot depends on the method that one is using to teach and work with the dogs.

As to the Einstein, they offer quite few features that many pet owners find useful, lost transmitter feature, the ability to turn on a steady burning light or a flashing light on the collar, from the TX, and the ability to lock in a given setting with a boost stim feature that is customizable. But the "hockey puck" shape puts some people off. I know people who hate it and others who love it. It's very personal. They are available in custom colors and those colors can be switched depending on your mood/mission. For the fashion conscious, you can get them in leopard (fake, of course),breast cancer awareness pink, "tactical" black, orange, yellow, and cammo. WARNING: Don't drop the last one in the woods.

So's you know, I'm a dealer for all three brands. The Dogtras are the most popular sellers with me. They all offer excellent customer service and the same warranty.
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