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04-01-2014 05:20 PM
Jakesworld Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's a small percentage. Sometimes it's just visible in the way they move. My first GSD in 1988 was not PB. He was 3/4 GSD and 1/4 timber wolf. Positively. Yet he was the smartest and most gentle dog I've ever known. As well as very protective. Here's a pic of Judaea, probably about 4 or 5 yrs. His ears were up, but at about 6 months he developed a very severe crippling case of pano, followed by an auto immune disorder, it attacked his jaws -he couldn't hardly open his mouth. His ears went down, and never came up again. I didn't tape them, thought the look matched his personality.
04-01-2014 03:03 PM
GSDlover143
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Originally Posted by Bpink5 View Post
We rescued him from an alleged wolf dog breeder. He shows (to me) a few wolf characteristics. I need your help. This photo was taken directly off my instagram.
0% wolf 100% gsd

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03-31-2014 01:29 PM
RubyTuesday He might be a very large GSD but he still realllly looks 100% GSD & shows no physical evidence of wolf ancestry. My Sibe actually looked 'more wolf' & he really didn't look like a wolf at all for those that knew what to look for.

One problem I've seen is so many Sibes & Malemutes are identified as 'wolf crosses' & even <major*eyeroll> 'high percentage wolf crosses' that many people don't have a good idea of what the real deal looks like. They also use a lot of Malemutes in movies about wolves & wolf dogs which further confuses people as to what they're truly seeing.
03-30-2014 11:20 AM
wildwolf60 Bpink5, I don't see any wolf either. But what are you needing in the way of help with this GSD? If there is any wolf, it would be a small amount. My purebred GSD is over 100 lbs too, and since he is sable, looks more wolfy.
03-30-2014 08:18 AM
Anubis_Star
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Originally Posted by Harley120R View Post
Yes he does.

In the original German Shepherd studbook, Zuchtbuch für Deutsche Schäferhunde (SZ), within the 2 pages of entries from SZ #41 to SZ #76, there are 4 Wolf Crosses.[9] This is the first 'documented' use of pure wolf genes to create a domestic dog breed, the German Shepherd, which is historically thought to be the first documented intentionally bred wolfdog.

As surely the original GSD had wolf in him all GSD have wolf in them. I don't think you asked how much did you?

So, yes he is part wolf. Every GSD is part wolf.
The russian farm fox experiment proved that the russian silver fox could become completely domesticated, a whole new sub-species, with selective breeding in only 14 generations, spanning roughly 30 years.

If you can completely change the sub-species of a fox in 30 years, can you really say ALL german shepherds are "part wolf" because of 4 in the ancestry I'm guessing roughly 120 years ago? How many generations that would be I would be guessing at least 30-40 + generations for most dogs now? I do not think you can say german shepherds are "part wolf". Selective breeding has eliminated that.
01-24-2014 07:00 PM
Bpink5
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Over the years I shared my home with a number of wolf shepherd crosses, and I am 100% sure you have a dog, no wolf blood. I base this on what I see in the photo--the size and set of his ears, the size of his canine teeth, the shape of his muzzle, what I call the "German shepherd bump" on his nose, the shape and color of his eyes, the size and shape of his feet...I am sure that if you posted a side photo of him standing, we could address other conformation evidence. Enjoy your dog for what he is!
Here are some more pictures
01-24-2014 06:52 PM
Bpink5
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Every true wolf/gsd cross I've known has been HUGE. 130+ lbs huge. Also they've all been very fearful, skittish.

You have an older dog with a graying muzzle. Is it possible? Yes anything is. But likely? Np

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He's pretty big! Last time we weighed him at the vet he was 134.
01-22-2014 12:11 PM
Susan_GSD_mom
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I too had a rescue wolf hybrid from a bad situation out of northern Quebec, He was handsome, and he would do just about anything to smash his teeth and tongue into my lips and go nuts , what a sweetie..i think some of them just know your the reason they are ok.
This is so important to them (I think more so than with dogs)--being able to make contact with your face, if not, then taking your hand in their mouth. I never corrected the mouthing because it is such an intrinsic part of their pack socialization, and I was never, ever harmed in any way by such interaction.

This will probably make some of you think I was a fool, but... I had a huge male wolf shepherd I raised from a 4-week old big ball of fluff. When I first got him he slept in the crook between my head and my shoulder, until he grew too big. THIS guy was my "heart dog," and all his life I was not only his alpha, but I think he looked to me as his mother. He was extremely affectionate, and here is how he showed it, very often. If I was sitting in a chair, he would put his front feet up on the chair so he could reach me. Then he would take my neck gently in his jaws, huge canines and all. I knew it was affection (or he was hoping I would regurgitate some food, LOL), and I always had perfect trust in him (as he did in me) although he could easily have crushed my neck.

He was also mischievous as heck. I decided to train him to bring foreign objects to me, and I would trade it for a treat, so that I could always get something away from him if it might harm him. In a hot minute that turned into him searching for all sorts of things, bringing them to me and prancing in front of me as if to say, "Look what I have, I think you should make a trade for this!" Once while we were gone (before I had learned the advantages of crates) he went into the bathroom, took the toilet paper end in his mouth, pulled it, still connected to the roll, down the hall into the kitchen, into the diningroom, into the livingroom and nearly full circle back into the hallway by the bathroom door. I would like to have seen him do it--I never could figure out how he held it in his mouth without breaking it--it was still connected to the roll when we got home!

Boy--he died in 1992, and I still miss him as though he were a part of my human family.
01-22-2014 11:41 AM
Susan_GSD_mom
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Originally Posted by shepherdmom View Post
The rescue is working with the lady from Wolf Rescue to get them placed or in a sanctuary. They were in a bad place, small crates, shut down, and not eating so the rescue took them in. What you see is them huddled up in the corner, their enclosure is fairly large and has a covered concrete section with a heated dog house as well as an outdoor section & they are finally eating! Yea!

I'm a volunteer down there and have not really had anything to do directly with the wolves. I'm helping with a batch of GS puppies and a dog from a different hording situation. In fact Caesar had the pen the wolfies are now in. As he has gotten more social he has been moved up to the front where he gets more people and dog interaction. I've got a picture of him that will give you a better idea of how big the pen area is.

Great! It sounds like you have good, knowledgeable people working to make sure they have a better life. That is also a lovely GSD, by the way--I hope he finds a great forever home, too!
01-22-2014 11:39 AM
misslesleedavis1
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Originally Posted by Susan_GSD_mom View Post
Poor babies. Thank you for helping them! My last wolfdog was a rescue from an abusive situation. I had him shipped to me all the way from Washington state to Michigan, a 10 hour process. The first thing he did when I took him out of the crate at the airport was walk over to me, raise gently up, put his feet on my shoulders and lick my cheek--he was thanking me. The rest of his life he would now and then stop what he was doing, come over to me and lay his head on my chest. I knew it was still appreciation for the home we gave him. They are so expressive.

These two look like they could possibly be mixed with Malamute and would be more independent than the wolf shepherd cross. I'm sure they are bonded. Are you looking to place them somewhere, or will the rescue keep them? I hope they are in a temporary enclosure, they need more space, like a compound if they are not going to be with a human pack.


I too had a rescue wolf hybrid from a bad situation out of northern Quebec, He was handsome, and he would do just about anything to smash his teeth and tongue into my lips and go nuts , what a sweetie..i think some of them just know your the reason they are ok.
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