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01-20-2014 04:14 PM
Doc 3 cups a day still isn't enough. Your puppy is browning at a very fast rate right now. I would say at least 4 cups and maybe up to 6.
As far as food goes, find one he likes and feed it to him. There is plenty of time to find out about the numerous kibble options. The best kibble is the one you can afford and the dog likes. But until that time, feed your puppy more!
01-20-2014 11:36 AM
customx4209
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Originally Posted by KZoppa View Post
science diet is junk food basically. so is purina, iams... Merrick is a good brand. What it really boils down to though is what works best for your dog. Obviously you want a quality food. A good way to avoid junk foods is to check the ingredients lists. Ideally, you want the first 2-3 ingredients to be a meat or meat meal. You don't want corn in there. Corn is a filler. IME and others, it's also made for a hyper dog whereas solid foods (meat first couple ingredients), the dogs had energy but it was a healthy energy.

As far as food, adjust amount given accordingly. Example, my 10 month old male get 3 1/2 cups of chicken soup large breed adult a day. He's still pretty slim but not underweight. My female gets about 1.5 -2 cups a day and she's back on a diet because she's less active and looks a little on the thicker side right now. If your pup is considered underweight on 2 cups of food a day, you want to up the intake to 2.5 or 3 cups. Again, adjust accordingly. You don't want to overfeed obviously, but you do want them at a healthy weight for their size. Pups should be slimmer while growing but not too slim. Your pup can also clue you in on whats too much. Does your pup act hungry after their initial meal is finished?
I would say yes he does look hungry after eating. right now we are doing a cup AM and a cup PM. I think we are going to switch back to merrick and give an additional cup around 3PM when we get home from work
01-20-2014 01:55 AM
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01-20-2014 01:48 AM
KZoppa science diet is junk food basically. so is purina, iams... Merrick is a good brand. What it really boils down to though is what works best for your dog. Obviously you want a quality food. A good way to avoid junk foods is to check the ingredients lists. Ideally, you want the first 2-3 ingredients to be a meat or meat meal. You don't want corn in there. Corn is a filler. IME and others, it's also made for a hyper dog whereas solid foods (meat first couple ingredients), the dogs had energy but it was a healthy energy.

As far as food, adjust amount given accordingly. Example, my 10 month old male get 3 1/2 cups of chicken soup large breed adult a day. He's still pretty slim but not underweight. My female gets about 1.5 -2 cups a day and she's back on a diet because she's less active and looks a little on the thicker side right now. If your pup is considered underweight on 2 cups of food a day, you want to up the intake to 2.5 or 3 cups. Again, adjust accordingly. You don't want to overfeed obviously, but you do want them at a healthy weight for their size. Pups should be slimmer while growing but not too slim. Your pup can also clue you in on whats too much. Does your pup act hungry after their initial meal is finished?
01-20-2014 01:34 AM
Harry and Lola Only you can make the decision on which dry kibble to use, different people prefer different brands, the ones you have listed are all good brands. Just decide on one and stay with it, too much switching between brands can upset his tummy.

I tend to use the feeding recommendations as a guide only and go with how they look and feel, for example if puppy is looking a bit fat and you can not easily feel his ribs then reduce his intake a little bit, if he is looking a bit thin and you can see his ribs (without feeling) then increase his intake. It does take experience to do this and sometimes even with experience we can get it wrong and before you know it they are fat or too skinny, however as you get to know him, this will come naturally.

As your puppy is very thin, you need to increase his intake, so even though the bag says to feed 2 cups, I would increase this to at least double purely because of needing to increase weight.

Note if he is not gaining weight within a couple of weeks of increasing his food. You should be able to notice a difference by the end of 1 week, if after 2 or 3 weeks he is still extremely thin, then consider medical issues such as EPI. If he does have EPI, it is very easy to treat with enzyme replacements and he will gain weight quickly and be content.

Also, you are correct in your thinking on not feeding too much too quickly, there is strong evidence to 'grow your puppy slowly', to do this many GSD owners will put their puppies on an adult version of their chosen dry kibble which has less calories and fat and therefore grows the puppy much slower. The puppy will still grow to its potential, just slower and with less chance of becoming obese. Evidence shows that by growing them slowly may decrease medical issues GSDs are prone to such as dysplasia. However, you can't apply this to your puppy at the moment because he is too underweight.
01-19-2014 11:35 PM
Loneforce
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Originally Posted by customx4209 View Post
Thank you for all of your responses, we have been thinking of upping his food to maybe 3 cups per day. I must say that we are very aggravated because this is the 4th or 5th time that we have switched his food because every time we ask someone at the vet clinic or dog food store… the dog whisper has a genius opinion on why one food is better than another. we have been through blue buffalo, merricks (petco manager recommended), natural balance (Dog trainer recommended), and now science diet (vet recommend). every time we switch someone says another brand is better than the previous…WHAT IS THE BEST?!??!

Based on the bag recommended serving size, we are already at what we should be feeding him based on age/weight, also concerned with vet recommendation on feeding too much too early would lead to fat belly vs. body muscle.

Does anyone have any advice, we are very torn about what to do based on the 30 different opinions that we have received.

Thanks!
Dog food is a real touchy subject, and yes you are right ; everyone has their favorite. Remember you are trying to put weight on, so you want to give a higher dosage then what the bag says right now. My dog does great on Merrick beef grain free, but that does not mean your dog will do good on it. You need to find a good quality food that your dog likes, and stick to it. Try grain free, it might help your pups digestive tract. Don't get frustrated, it seems these GSD's have sensitive stomachs I hope this helps you a little bit, and gets your pup on track..Wishing you luck!
01-19-2014 11:09 PM
customx4209
Underweight GSD

Thank you for all of your responses, we have been thinking of upping his food to maybe 3 cups per day. I must say that we are very aggravated because this is the 4th or 5th time that we have switched his food because every time we ask someone at the vet clinic or dog food store… the dog whisper has a genius opinion on why one food is better than another. we have been through blue buffalo, merricks (petco manager recommended), natural balance (Dog trainer recommended), and now science diet (vet recommend). every time we switch someone says another brand is better than the previous…WHAT IS THE BEST?!??!

Based on the bag recommended serving size, we are already at what we should be feeding him based on age/weight, also concerned with vet recommendation on feeding too much too early would lead to fat belly vs. body muscle.

Does anyone have any advice, we are very torn about what to do based on the 30 different opinions that we have received.

Thanks!
01-19-2014 05:40 PM
Doc I don't think it is the kibble, it's the amount.
01-19-2014 04:10 PM
Harry and Lola 20 pounds for a 4 month old is underweight you would want to see him round 35 pounds.

Agree with everyone else regarding the amount of food you are feeding - 2 cups does not seem enough for a pup. For your pups ribs to be visible, he is either not getting enough food or there is a medical issue such as worms or EPI.

If if were me, I would increase his food to at least double what you are giving (4 cups a day spread out over 2 feeds) and monitor him for 2 weeks. If has not not put on weight then consider testing him for EPI or worms etc.

Also, as mentioned by others Science Diet is over rated, there are many other kibble that are either better or just a good in terms of ingredients for less money. Keep in mind that if he is an EPI dog, then you may have to switch to a grain free kibble.

Let us know how he is in a couple of weeks
01-19-2014 12:41 PM
Doc 16 week old pups need more food. feed 2 cups 3X a day or 3 cups 2X a day.
As far as poop eating .... many dog owners have success feeding raw. If you don't want to go raw, sprinkle Accent - the meat tenderizer - on the kibble.
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