|03-03-2014 11:02 PM|
|Bridget||That is a very good point, Jan. Don't know why I didn't think of that too.|
|03-03-2014 02:33 PM|
I'm looking at this a little differently. I just reread your parents involvement. They are elderly. My mother is elderly. The older she gets, the more she worries. She worries about things she doesn't need to, so give her a "real" problem and it's huge. I can understand the stress this puts on your parents. If it was just you, I'd say, "Do all you can to make sure the dog is as comfortable as possible, for as long as possible. When the dog get's worse and the quality of life is no longer there, let him go. Your dog, your decision."
But, he isn't just your dog. He is also their dog. You have the burden of if/when to put your dog to sleep. Your parents have the added burden that they may make a decision you disagree with. People feel guilty enough about putting a pet to sleep. Add in the guilt of going against the wishes of other family members. Your parents would not want to go against your wishes, even if they feel they are doing the right thing. That is a very unfair position to put your parents in.
From my perspective, you should either send the dog back to your parents. No strings attached. Their decision to put the boy down, when they decide. Or, keep the dog yourself and make all the medical decisions and the final decision when the time comes.
|03-03-2014 02:06 PM|
|Bridget||Absolutely if you aren't ready and you don't think your dog is ready, don't euthanize yet. You know your dog, we don't. I do believe that some owners do it too early, while there is still a good chance for quality of life. And as you said, 14 is not ancient for a small dog. Your dog is really cute. Listen to yourself.|
|03-03-2014 09:58 AM|
If it was unclear, I'm an adult. I live on my own across the country from all of my family. I take this dog when they're traveling for long periods, in lieu of boarding him somewhere for 2-3 months. If this dog had stopped eating, was in distress, could not void his bowels... I would end it immediately with no questions. I have no issue euthanizing this dog when its time.
My parents are scared of letting him go on too long. My mom felt horrible that they didn't catch his first round of bladder stones until he was in pain from them. She doesn't trust herself to recognize when he's suffering. I can totally understand her position; I'm in it too. I just have a larger network of vets and fellow 'dog folk' to weigh in on the old man's likely status.
Jean, thanks for your reply! We're going to try stool softeners. We had a couple of prolapse cases at the office, they were pretty gnarly. Especially when the dogs chew on them! I had two of the vets and kennel club members/vet assistants weigh in on him and they all agree... not time yet. He's in a good stretch. He'll probably get into some bad days again and then we'll re-evaluate. I'll pass on the 'adorable'. He's currently running around trying to get at my roommate's bunny. Definitely not one of his 'old man days' today!
|03-03-2014 07:32 AM|
I was going to send this as a PM - but I would be looking at - are there things you can do with his diet to make defecation easier? Sucrolose was something recommended to me when my GSD had a very small prolapse of her rectum (don't google image). I am using pumpkin to try to keep her stool softer.
Glad you use the scale - I would ask someone else (with similar but not same ideas on end of life issues - I know people who have pulled the plug on diagnosis of something that may have been fixable - so would not be asking them) to rate him as well.
I would also see if I could find information from other people who have had dogs with the tumor - and see what they say. Google, vets, I'd be looking at how this progresses and best practices.
He is adorable!!!!
|03-02-2014 02:56 PM|
|Lauri & The Gang||There is a big difference between just living and being alive.|
|03-02-2014 02:32 PM|
|Brando & Julietta's Dad||Sorry to hear the news. Its a tough decision for sure. I think as long as you feel he has some quality of enjoyment than its tough to let go. You will know when you see a drop in quality of life that is worse than the present. Hope you have some good days to say goodbye|
|03-02-2014 02:24 PM|
To the OP I am a little confused? So I should have said nothing but hey it's the internet!
Who is making the final decision you are you parents? Are do you want to let her go and can't and want your parents help?
My response was based on my interpretation that you had to leave, dog was in your parents care and they were just done!
|03-02-2014 01:20 PM|
I struggled with this decission with one dog. She let me know that she still enjoyed traveling, she still loved company. In the end I knew when the time was right. She just wasn't happy.
With the late Barker the Elder, she was happy until the end. She didn't get around well, but she still loved going to the barn. So I took her to the barn. I knew that when she no longer enjoyed the horse it would be time. They WILL let you know. They'll loose the spark.
|03-02-2014 11:08 AM|
What it comes down to is essentially the question of 'is there a way to enable him to continue to defecate?'
On this chart, he's easily:
So his cumulative score is 61. This chart indicates he's rearin' to go and has plenty of life left in him. The only debatable score is his pain level. He's not a complainer, but even when he potties he has no visible pain response. He has no trouble urinating and his UTI has been resolved.
(and still adorable!)
Literally his only CURRENT affliction is his ribbon-like stool from the growing anal sac tumor. He's in a stretch of very good days.
If he was still feeling as crummy as he was when I first posted this it would be easier. But he's doing great, jumping around and playing with everyone. Trust me, I have no desire to prolong his life for my sake. What my family and I are after is knowing when without cutting his life short. He's a smaller dog, so he could have years left. I would have as much trouble accepting that I'd dragged him on too long as I would accepting that we cut him short by a few years just because of a temporary condition (like a UTI or abscess, which are both now resolved). When he got an abscess under a normal wart on his foreleg I thought that was it but we lanced it, more antibiotics, and he's good as new.
Like I said, I wish he'd just pick a direction. At this point I'd almost rather he give us a good and proper indication that he's ready rather than all this emotional roller-coaster business. But I'm not complaining about the good days, for sure!
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